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Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Hear, hear.

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Absolutely.

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I will speak on the amendment.

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: The Minister of State indicated that it is standard legal practice to provide for the imposition of a fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years. However, the amendment changed the meaning of the original text, which provided for a sentence of imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years. Is the inclusion of that penalty not also standard practice? I share the view...

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I have sympathy with the Senator's amendment. The evidence is that a great deal of the sexual abuse of children occurs within the family setting. This has been noted for a long time and was one of the bases on which the Stay Safe programme was introduced in the early 1990s. It is abuse in the most trusted of settings. I do not know what the legislation can do to prevent it. We have...

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: This is a momentous day and I hope we pass this Bill. It would be nice to have unanimity on it. I welcome this amendment. The women and young girls who comprise most of those involved in prostitution are vulnerable, marginalised and poor. I appreciate the work done and the information shared with us by Ruhama, the Turn Off the Red Light campaign and the HSE. They speak about the frame of...

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: It is all vital because we are bringing in new-----

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I am talking about the amendment. We are bringing in an amendment to decriminalise the women, and men in some cases if they are involved in prostitution, and to criminalise the buyers. What extra resources will be made available for that? I would like to flag another issue. Some of the women involved in prostitution have been trafficked here. Some of them do not have a visa status that...

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: It is called exploitation now.

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: It is the opposite.

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: You are.

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I do not think the Senator is right.

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: It is not a point of information.

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Debates are good and extremes of view are good. I hope we will arrive at an in-between position which is good for everybody. What is bad about decriminalising the person who has to engage in prostitution? What is bad about criminalising the buyer, the person who says "There is a price on your body"? What is bad about criminalising a boyfriend who will force a girlfriend to go out to work?...

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I ask the people who support this amendment and who are against the Government proposal how many people they have spoken to who have said they feel safe while engaging in prostitution?

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: How many say this is their preferable position in life or that they do not always feel trapped? How many are willing to say this is the best career in which they could be involved? I have not heard that type of feedback.

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Not all human rights, not the rights of the unborn child.

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: No, let us be clear.

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: That is pathetic.

Seanad: Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2015)

Fidelma Healy Eames: It is useful that Senator Zappone has put the information she has on the record of the House. I did not get it all because there was much shouting and covering up of voices. As I am not on the justice committee, can I have it confirmed that what Senator Zappone said is that the voices of sex workers were taken into the account?

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