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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: ...any further action on it. No. 2573C is from an individual, dated 6 November 2019, requesting the committee to enquire about the international numbering system and procurement relating to the public services card. The committee requested information regarding procurement following the recent meeting with the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection. I propose we forward a...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: ...to publish No. 2587 with any personal information redacted because it is useful to put that out there. The next item of correspondence, No. 2593, is a letter from an individual concerning the public services card. We discussed previous correspondence from this individual on 14 November and advised the individual accordingly. We provided details of who was at the meeting in question,...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: ...Regulation of Utilities. We will note and publish that. No. 2549B is from Mr. Jim Meade, chief executive of Irish Rail, dated 13 November 2019 providing further information regarding the use of the public services card for rail travel. Figures about the value of debt are included. We will note and publish this. He refers to my earlier comments. He understands that what was said at...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: ...That will complete our discussion on this matter. No. 2555 is from an individual, dated 11 November, requesting that the committee make inquiries regarding personal information collected for the public services card. We will write to the Department to ask for details on this. The correspondence states that there is information on debt levels, SAFE levels, quarantine, welfare profile,...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: ...Affairs and Social Protection for free travel. We had been asking about the issue of free travel. There are five pages on that and we will come back to it in detail because it is connected to the public services card. We will note and publish the correspondence but we are not finished with the issue of the public services card yet. There is a lot of correspondence coming in from...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: .... No. 2534B is from Mr. Robert Watt, Secretary General of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. We wrote to Mr. Watt asking for information on the full list of public bodies that are using the public services card and an information note outlining what stage the project is at. He referred us to the Government website which shows the public bodies that are currently using...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: ..., Data Protection Commission. It relates to various issues we raised at the committee. We will note and publish the cost of the investigation by the Data Protection Commission in regard to the public services card. We will be talking to the mother Department for the card, the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection, during the course of the day. We will be raising these...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: ...next items of correspondence, Nos. 2503 and 2526, are letters from Mr. Jim Meade, the chief executive of Irish Rail, dated 23 October and 6 November, respectively. The correspondence relates to the public services card and in particular, to a case that was referred to at our meeting on 26 September. Included in the correspondence is some detail on how suspected fraud is dealt with by the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: ...later stage. That is agreed. No. 2507 is from John McKeon, Secretary General of the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection, relating to our request for the business case for the public services card. He makes it very clear in his letter there is no single business case document relating to the development of the SAFE identity authentication process for the card. He...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 12 - Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 13 - Timeliness of Income Support Claim Processing
Chapter 14 - Customer Service - Development of Income Support Application Forms
(7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: -----understood that there were different years involved. We are talking about the public services card. A number of weeks ago, I mentioned the fact that I did not have a public services card. Ms McCrum nicely wrote to me and offered the services of the Department if I wanted to get one. I wrote back to explain that a couple of weeks ago, I think, I arranged by appointment to go into...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 12 - Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 13 - Timeliness of Income Support Claim Processing
Chapter 14 - Customer Service - Development of Income Support Application Forms
(7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Let us take this one step at a time lest we become confused. The Department has information on a person's public services card with a free travel element. The Department knows the route that person was on and the times they were on it. Mr. McKeon has just said that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 12 - Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 13 - Timeliness of Income Support Claim Processing
Chapter 14 - Customer Service - Development of Income Support Application Forms
(7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: ...it appears as if four months elapsed from the time the free travel was cancelled to the time CIÉ was notified. Irish Rail, in its letter back to the committee, said that sometimes the misuse of a public services card means someone travels for months or years without paying for a journey after his or her free travel entitlements are withdrawn. That tells me the Department does not...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 12 - Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 13 - Timeliness of Income Support Claim Processing
Chapter 14 - Customer Service - Development of Income Support Application Forms
(7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: ...of payments to the different operators, how the system works, who is paid for actual travel, who is paid for estimated travel and who gets a block grant. This all started with a query about the public services card. We are coming at this information from the points of view of the use of the card and expenditure in the Department. I have a number of other questions to ask.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: ...our work programme. No. 2458 is from John McKeon, Secretary General of the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection, providing up-to-date information requested on the costs of the public services card and including current figures. He states in this letter that the costs are €67.8 million, €36 million of which is in respect of staff costs related to the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: ...and publish that letter. No. 2427is from Mr. Robert Watt, Secretary General, Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, providing a response to our request for further information regarding the public services card. We requested the following information: a list of all public bodies that are considering using, or have made the decision to use, the public services card to date and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: ...No. 2441. The next item is No. 2442, correspondence from Mr. John McKeon, Secretary General of the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection, providing an information note on the public services card, including information held by the National Transport Authority on public services card holders, transfer of personal information between the Department and the NTA, and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: When a person presents a public services card at a swipe point, whether on a bus or train, the card chip contains a number with no name or address attached. The transport company can pass the information through the NTA back to the Department that the following numbers have made the following trips. The Department then knows the usage rate on the free travel card. Only the Department has...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: ...Agreed. The next item of correspondence is No. 2443, which is from Ms Anne Graham, chief executive officer of the National Transport Authority, providing the committee with a note on the use of the public services card for free travel. We note and publish that and it will be discussed as part of our meeting with Ms Graham shortly. Is that agreed? Agreed. We turn next to category C...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: ...will have the Courts Service before us. The following week, on 7 November, the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection will be here to discuss the Social Insurance Fund. The issue of the public services card will obviously be raised at that meeting. On 14 November, we have provisionally arranged a meeting with the Office of Public Works. On 21 November, we will have...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: ...that I am saying in a light-hearted way. During the discussion with the Data Protection Commissioner here a couple of weeks ago, I happened to mention in public session that I had never needed a public services card and did not have one. I got a lovely letter from an assistant secretary in the Department who, having watched the meeting and noted that I did not have one, offered to bring...

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