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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: There were only two special reports.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Okay. With regard to the severance payments, I asked Professor Fitzgerald if he had read the chapter and if he had a comment. This relates to two persons receiving a severance payment. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: They are re-employed.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: They were re-employed through two companies.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is all arranged before they leave and the severance payments are given. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: They were given advice with regard to the severance payment and the companies.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Who paid for that?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I hope I am not mixing up the two, and the Comptroller and Auditor General can correct me if I am. Were there issues relating to performance with these two people?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Just answer my question, please. Were there issues relating to performance?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Was that accurate?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Perhaps I am not being clear enough. Am I correct in saying that performance issues relating to one individual were highlighted?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I do not think there was any documentation or evidence concerning a performance issue. Was there any documentation or evidence to be seen?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Did Professor Fitzgerald read this chapter? I do not mean to put anybody on the spot but if one reads this chapter, one can see that it is difficult to read. In respect of conclusions and recommendations, it states the university withheld relevant and material from the Special Report No. 91, the examination team of the Comptroller and Auditor General. It withheld information from the...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I realise Professor Fitzgerald came in as a new person and put his hands up and that he is attempting to bring about a new culture in the university but for me to get reassurance about that, I just look at the reports, listen to the responses and try to see what changes the university has brought in. The starting point is the chapter of the Comptroller and Auditor General's report because he...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Paragraph 4.7.1. states that the reasons the university has advanced for the severance deals are not credible. That is a very strong statement.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: If the university had made that statement, we would not be here because the university would have looked at and done something about it. We are here because this has come out as a result of the Comptroller and Auditor General's report, "RTE Investigates" and all the other reports. To that melee, we can add all the whistleblowers, who have suffered dreadfully, an issue we cannot go into...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Paragraph 3.20 states that both senior executives are recorded in the company's board minutes as being in attendance at board meetings when the pensions matter was discussed. We are returning to the issue of pensions. When we go through that paragraph, we read that they absented themselves but it is not recorded that they did so. The university has stated that the practice is to show those...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Something very serious is being discussed, the two persons affected by it are in the room and the university says they are not there but there is no record to say they left. Has that changed?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Has the practice changed to the effect that when people leave the room because of a conflict of interest, it is recorded?

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