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Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. O'Callaghan has indicated he would like to contribute.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy has made the point and he might let Ms Higgins explain the position.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Therefore, it would out at €750,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: She said the figure would be €240,000 per annum, or €750,000 from the survivors' fund.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Does Ms Higgins know the answer?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy can ask her question later if it is not answered.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: What was the payout in 2016?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: I can see where Deputy Catherine Connolly is coming from. In 2015 Caranua paid out approximately €30 million. In 2013, over nine months, it paid out little or nothing when it was starting off. In 2014, according to the summary presented by the Comptroller and Auditor General an hour ago, the total payout was €10 million. In 2015 the total for grants and administration costs...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Therefore, it is a figure of €25 million. Has there been a remarkable increase in payouts this year so far?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Of the 4,000 cases to which Mr. O'Callaghan referred as not being fully complete, is there much to be paid out? Very few people are now coming forward.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am sorry for cutting across Deputy Catherine Connolly.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Caranua is going to have to pay rent from this summer for the next two or three years and it will have to come directly out of funding that would have previously been available. I am going to ask the Department of Education and Skills for full clarification of that and to see if a public building is available. We have been talking about transferring and receiving assets but it is a bit...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Ó Foghlú said there was a simple answer. We wanted him to explain the current situation and we will raise the issue again.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: I ask the Department of Education and Skills to weigh in behind Caranua to see if anything can be done.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: I do not know what the answer will be but it would be foolish not to at least ask if another option was possible. Do not tell the Comptroller and Auditor General that the OPW is not charging commercial rent, however. I am a bit confused about confidentiality. Deputy Aylward asked about the people who had work done. Were cheques paid to individuals or the company?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Who is the third party?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is like a bank draft.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: The person does not go in with a Caranua cheque and the person at the other end does not know it is a Caranua cheque. That is important. The witnesses do not need to go through the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General now but on page 36 it mentions that An Bord Pleanála refused planning permission for a memorial to survivors and the Department was considering how best to...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: When was that?

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