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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Accordingly, all of the agencies are acting outside of the regulations.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: What is “verbal approval”? Was the name of the person who gave the approval given?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: They are not documented, however.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: It is hearsay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Surely, then Dr. Smith must tell the Department that this is not acceptable, there is no note on the file and, therefore, they are not authorised payments.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Yes, there should be no verbal agreements.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Would hotel accommodation provided for consultants be part of this trawl of bonus payments? The committee conducted hearings over a long period on departmental expenses and prepared a report on it. It would appear we did not ask the right questions because none of this showed up. There are issues around top-up payments in section 38 bodies even though in 2011 we knew it was happening in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Can the HSE ask these agencies this question? Otherwise, they will say we did not ask the right question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: What about long-term accommodation arrangements?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: We should ask for that. We did have an example of it last week.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Deputy Fleming asked about the tax clearance certificates and Mr. O'Brien stated they must be produced. For whom must they be produced? Rather than answering the question as to whether the entities are tax compliant, the delegates should state who actually sees the tax clearance certificates.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Can Dr. Smith state that each and every agency has provided a tax clearance certificate rather than suggest evidence of tax compliance? The latter is the subject that Deputy Fleming asked Mr. O'Brien about. Has a HSE officer seen each and every tax clearance certificate involved? Are they up to date?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: I take it, then, that the HSE has seen all of the tax clearance certificates.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Not Dr. Smith, but those concerned.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: The second question arising from what Deputy Fleming said concerns the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, which is being represented today by Mr. Peter Brazel. Has he provided any paper trail in relation to approvals from 1995 to the HSE or the Department of Health? One of the issues concerns who approved the payments. If approval was sought, it was presumably sought in the days...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: If the Department of Health wanted approval or was asked for approval, would it not have to mention it to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Before Mr. O'Brien answers that question, in his opening statement he referred to different agencies that may not be in compliance, and he mentioned one that did not write back. Can we have the names of the agencies-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: -----and whether they replied, are compliant or ignored the HSE.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Can that be circulated now to the members?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Can we publish the statement?

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