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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: With regard to Deputy O'Donnell's point about this news damaging the morale of those who are fund-raising or within hospitals on the front line, I raise a question that came about in correspondence. There was a medical superintendent in one of these section 38 hospitals, and now that person has two titles and a top-up. For some, if not all, of the years that he or she held this position,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Is Mr. Brazel telling the committee there is no paper trail?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Does this relate to the same question about circular No. 89 that we discussed with Mr. Brazel last week?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: It is important for the committee to bear in mind there is no paper trail granting permission from the Department of Health for any of these payments.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Can the Department of Health act on its own initiative and sanction them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Mr. Brazel is not aware of any sanction bar the single one we have been discussing.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Is there any record in the HSE, or in the former health boards as this goes back to 1995, of any business case made on the payments in question?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Has the Department told Mr. O'Brien of any business cases in place since 1995?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: How old were these three sanctions?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Can the committee presume then that, apart from the three sanctions, no other business case was made for any of the payments in question?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Accordingly, all of the agencies are acting outside of the regulations.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: What is “verbal approval”? Was the name of the person who gave the approval given?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: They are not documented, however.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: It is hearsay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Surely, then Dr. Smith must tell the Department that this is not acceptable, there is no note on the file and, therefore, they are not authorised payments.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Yes, there should be no verbal agreements.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Would hotel accommodation provided for consultants be part of this trawl of bonus payments? The committee conducted hearings over a long period on departmental expenses and prepared a report on it. It would appear we did not ask the right questions because none of this showed up. There are issues around top-up payments in section 38 bodies even though in 2011 we knew it was happening in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: Can the HSE ask these agencies this question? Otherwise, they will say we did not ask the right question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: What about long-term accommodation arrangements?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

John McGuinness: We should ask for that. We did have an example of it last week.

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