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Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: In terms of what has happened, in that it is contradictory, how does Mr. Kerr believe the board did not act to exercise "strict and appropriate oversight of certain issues"? How does that relate to the statement he just made?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: What does Mr. Kerr mean by the statement that "we have not exercised strict and appropriate oversight of certain issues"?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: With due respect, Mr. Doyle, that is an understatement.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: How did the remuneration committee allow a bonus payment to be paid to a number of the directors in 2012 when, clearly, from a functioning viewpoint, the turnover was down across various categories in the companies in the Rehab Group? A cut in salaries was introduced across the spectrum for ordinary staff members. How did the remuneration committee allow that in 2012?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: What about all the other people working in Rehab who were taking pay cuts in 2010?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: They got a bonus in 2012.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: I think Mr. Doyle is slightly delusional about that given the current environment. My final question is when was Ms Kerins, the CEO, last paid a bonus.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: A great pity. It does the organisation-----

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: I do, but it does Rehab no service, nor does it do any service to the public, who provide funds towards Rehab, the service users or the staff. It is not a good day for Rehab. It is extremely important that Ms Kerins and Mr. Flannery take the opportunity to clarify these points before our committee in the interests of Rehab and the wider charity sector.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Do they report to Mr. Poole?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Are there financial controllers in each company?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is their limit?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Would it be €50,000?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: At what level would the financial controller have to approve a payment?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Did the CEO have the authority to approve any payments unilaterally?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: I accept that but if an invoice came in for an amount below €50,000, or any level, could the CEO unilaterally approve that payment?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Could Mr. Poole override that payment?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Has Mr. Poole questioned them over the years?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Ms Kerins had that authority.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Kieran O'Donnell: Mr. Kerr said the response of the Rehab board "to recent political and public demands for information has been inadequate ... we have not exercised strict and appropriate oversight of certain issues". Does Mr. Poole believe now, looking back, that the corporate governance structures within Rehab were lax?

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