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- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: What was the figure?
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: The Department had 800 specific cases and it estimated there would be 2,000.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Of the 139 institutions covered under the scheme, the obvious starting point is how many people went through the 139 institutions over the years. That is the total population if one is trying to get an estimate. You should start at that figure rather than just those who have already commenced legal proceedings. What is the answer to that? How many people went through the 139 institutions?
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: You cannot tell me even though they were all under the direct supervision of the Department over the years.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Okay, but most were.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Even at the initial stages, although some Department officials had visited some of those schools, there was nowhere in the Department-----
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: I will ask a different question. I hate to put it this way but the Department was obviously paying the religious orders based on the number of people who went into the institutions over the years.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: How was that worked out? Surely the Department worked that out.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Okay. What was the Department's best estimate if it did not know exactly?
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: I understand that, but I am asking a different question now. There were 16,649 applications. To give your own best estimate at this stage, and I realise it is not an exact figure, does anybody have any idea if that was 10%, 50%, 70% or 90% of the people who were in the institutions? Have we any concept of how many people were in them?
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: That is the 16,000 and the confidentiality attached to those agreements. You do not know how they break down. In fact, some of the people were in various institutions, not just one, so it might not even be possible. We understand that and we understand the confidentiality. We also understand that it cannot be broken down by individual congregation because of the confidentiality, and...
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: You have no idea? Can anybody help us? I do not know how you will conduct a review of anything if you have no concept of the starting point.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: What did the licence number total?
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: I know, but have you added up the total?
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: What is your best incomplete picture? It is something, and I have nothing.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Okay, but we have no concept of whether that 16,000 represents some or a majority. We need to know, for people to have an understanding and to learn. I accept that you have an incomplete picture, that you cannot stand over it and that it cannot be audited. However, somebody in the Department of Education and Skills has a ballpark estimate. It might be wrong, but it is something. Can you...
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Even when it is all over, we still do not know how many.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: It could be a headline tomorrow.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: It is just to give us a better understanding; it is not to trap Mr. Ó Foghlú.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Please read it again.