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Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: We will take a 15-minute break and conclude at 3 p.m.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Before coming to that, do Mr. O'Brien or Ms McGuinness wish to respond to Deputy Harris?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Whoever's phone is on, can they please turn it off? If your phone is on the bench in front of you, please take it off.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: I thank Mr. Kiely. The clerk to the committee made it clear, as well as in various public statements, that the committee wanted to have Mr. Brian Conlan, the former chief executive, before the committee. Can Mr. Nugent explain why he is not here? Will he also enlighten us on why Mr. Conlan resigned?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: The committee does. Why did he resign from the organisation?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Just to make it clear, it would have been much better if he had attended the committee this morning voluntarily rather than playing this game. We will hear evidence today from all parties. Members will then decide how they wish to proceed with Mr. Conlan.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: I thank Mr. Martin for his statement. We will publish Mr. Nugent's statement. Mr. Martin does not have a copy of his statement for the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: In your statement, Mr. Martin, you spoke about correspondence. For the benefit of members, I ask the parties concerned - the CRC, the HSE and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform - to make available to the members the correspondence, some of which is in the public domain and some of which has been mentioned here today.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: We have the correspondence that Ms McGuinness has just given us. With regard to the correspondence from the CRC to the HSE, the Department of Health or any other Department, or any other piece of correspondence relevant to this hearing, can we have a copy from your side of all that correspondence?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Is it possible to get it immediately, because we have this correspondence here? Is all the correspondence here, Ms McGuinness?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Has Ms McGuinness made this file of correspondence available to the CRC?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: I understand that but-----

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Ms McGuinness is submitting this to the committee. What I want to find out is whether, in submitting it to the committee, she has checked with the CRC, so that we can establish that there is no piece of correspondence not included here - so that the CRC can be happy that this is in fact the entire correspondence between both parties.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Can you give them a copy?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Can we make a copy of this available to each member?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: That is okay. I just want to make sure that what you see is this letter.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: The other matter I want to ask about relates to Mr. Conlan.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Yes, if you wish.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: This is a special meeting convened to deal solely with the item on the agenda which relates to matters concerning the Central Remedial Clinic. Deputies Ross and Harris are the lead speakers for today's session. Other members have also indicated. Unless any member wishes to raise an issue, I suggest we proceed to the business of the meeting.

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