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Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Some of the €500,000 will go back to the friends.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: On the correspondence, I put it to the HSE that in 2009 there was a certain level of correspondence with the CRC. It is clear from the correspondence that although Mr. Nugent states he had a good relationship with the HSE, it reminds be a little of my relationship with the HSE - it is a little on and off. The CRC certainly wrote to the HSE in terms that would give me the impression that the...

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Yes, we can request the information.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Yes. It is a data protection issue.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: That is on account of data protection but the CRC can look at it.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: We understand.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: I am conscious of the fact that our guests have been answering questions since 10 a.m. However, there are a number of other matters which must be dealt with. I propose to conclude proceedings at 3 p.m. but perhaps people would indicate whether they wish to take a break for 15 minutes. Is Mr. Martin getting upset with me?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: I appreciate that. However, our client base is slightly larger than that of the CRC.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Well €16 million is a reasonable sum-----

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: I am not stating that Mr. Martin receives anything. What I am stating is that we have a job to do. Would our guests like to take a 15 minute break?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: We will take a 15-minute break and conclude at 3 p.m.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Before coming to that, do Mr. O'Brien or Ms McGuinness wish to respond to Deputy Harris?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Whoever's phone is on, can they please turn it off? If your phone is on the bench in front of you, please take it off.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: I thank Mr. Kiely. The clerk to the committee made it clear, as well as in various public statements, that the committee wanted to have Mr. Brian Conlan, the former chief executive, before the committee. Can Mr. Nugent explain why he is not here? Will he also enlighten us on why Mr. Conlan resigned?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: The committee does. Why did he resign from the organisation?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Just to make it clear, it would have been much better if he had attended the committee this morning voluntarily rather than playing this game. We will hear evidence today from all parties. Members will then decide how they wish to proceed with Mr. Conlan.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: I thank Mr. Martin for his statement. We will publish Mr. Nugent's statement. Mr. Martin does not have a copy of his statement for the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: In your statement, Mr. Martin, you spoke about correspondence. For the benefit of members, I ask the parties concerned - the CRC, the HSE and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform - to make available to the members the correspondence, some of which is in the public domain and some of which has been mentioned here today.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: We have the correspondence that Ms McGuinness has just given us. With regard to the correspondence from the CRC to the HSE, the Department of Health or any other Department, or any other piece of correspondence relevant to this hearing, can we have a copy from your side of all that correspondence?

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