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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will be saying to all Accounting Officers that we should not have to drag information from them. We expect people to come in here and co-operate fully. I am amazed and I find it extraordinary that Mr. O Foghlú did not take it upon himself to see the minutes of the meetings at which several hundred million was being discussed between Mr. Ó Foghlú's Department and the...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Can I know definitely if minutes were taken?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is Mr. Ó Foghlú's job to be here.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: What were the summaries based on?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Do not read out the notes. We will ask for a copy of those notes in a moment. How many meetings were there? What dates were they on?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: What subsequent meetings happened?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Ó Foghlú's officials met again on 7 July 2009.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Carry on.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is the following year.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is four meetings so far.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: There were at least 15 meetings, from what Mr. Ó Foghlú has read out, yet he is saying he does not even know if there are minutes of those meetings.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Ó Foghlú is saying he cannot answer.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Has anyone beside Mr. Ó Foghlú seen or taken minutes of those meetings?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: We are dragging this out now. We are not finished. I am not eating into Deputy Cullinane's time. He is the next speaker. Has any of the people with Mr. Ó Foghlú seen them? This is very important. The letter Mr. Ó Foghlú got from the committee inviting him to this meeting since the Committee of Public Accounts was established made it very clear that when an Accounting...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Which was what year?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: The witnesses are here today to answer the Committee of Public Accounts about a special report by the Comptroller and Auditor General and they are telling me they have not checked the files to know whether there are minutes of meetings there or not.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Does Mr. Tattan not see how it is utterly unsatisfactory for his Department to come in here in this state of unpreparedness? How could anybody make a public appearance and answer the Comptroller and Auditor General''s report in public and say they have not even checked to know if there are minutes of meetings? I find it very difficult. Based on what we are hearing today, the witnesses'...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Are they easily obtainable?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: So now Mr. Tattan is telling us they are online yet he has never seen them.

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