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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: Since the money is unclaimed prize money, does Mr. Algeo not see the benefit of making it available as additional prize money? Instead, the national lottery spends 98% of the pot on advertising.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: Do the witnesses see that this might irk people somewhat?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: No. We know about the 98% and the 2%. Can Mr. Algeo see that people watching who buy lotto tickets or scratch cards day in, day out, or week in, week out, might be irked by the fact that the national lottery spent 98% of the unclaimed prize money on advertising and a mere 2% on additional prize money?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: Sorry, we are talking about this particular pot of money. That was my question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: We know about the other prize money. My question was about this particular pot of unspent prize money.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: I am sorry but when you attend a meeting of the Committee of Public Accounts, you have to answer questions.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: If I wanted further information, I would ask for it. My question was about a particular stream of unspent prize money. The national lottery spent 98% of it on advertising and 2% on additional prize funds, and Mr. Algeo accepts people might be irked by that. The Comptroller and Auditor General published a report in September. Was Mr. Algeo embarrassed by that report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Algeo was not embarrassed by the report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Algeo was not concerned that-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Algeo was not embarrassed by the report or worried it would do reputational damage to the national lottery and affect its profits. Was he not concerned by that at all?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: The regulator is a State body. That would be the reason.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: That would explain that aspect of it. Was Mr. Algeo concerned the report would affect the national lottery's profits?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: I suggest it would not be in Mr. Algeo's interest to continue with the practice pertaining to the pot of unclaimed prize money. It would certainly run the risk of putting people off the national lottery. Maybe he might consider that. Does he believe it is acceptable that he would ask the State's financial watchdog to withhold information?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: Can I ask the Comptroller and Auditor General what his experience was of it? As a member of the Committee of Public Accounts, I am extremely grateful that he published the report in full in the interest of transparency and the public's need to know. Could he outline his experience of what we have just discussed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: Withholding information.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: One can understand how people feel if they realise unspent prize money is not going towards topping up prizes. That is why my first question was on whether Mr. Algeo was embarrassed by the report. The first impression one gets is that the national lottery did not want the information getting out into the public domain.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: When you look at the breakdown, with only 2% going towards additional prize money, you can certainly see why it is not in the interest of the national lottery. The national lottery could have opted for a ratio of 60:40, 50:50 or 70:30 but decided to have 98% going towards promotion and advertising and 2% going towards topping up prizes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: As Deputy Catherine Murphy said, with all that advertising the national lottery does not have any safeguards concerning gambling. It does not even have a mystery shopper, particularly regarding scratch cards but also regarding gambling. There may well be a particular issue with scratch cards. I am not referring to addiction, as such, but people certainly spend more money than they can...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: With regard to gambling, what are those measures?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Imelda Munster: What is the transaction limit?

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