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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: Did that increase the cost from €660 million or €880 million?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: Yes, but there are-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: -----so many constituent bodies within that figure that it is virtually impossible for an outsider to determine-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: -----where the dogs have buried the bones. What I am trying to do is simplify the matter. There have been a multiplicity of boards and people with various responsibilities. Although I presume they were all interlinked and there was a constant updating between one and the other, I am not so sure about that. A monthly reporting system would not be sufficient to keep everyone abreast of what...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: That was not the question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: My question is-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: What question did I ask?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: I asked a simple question - were all of the people who were supposed to attend at the various board meetings in attendance at all meetings? There is a reason for my question because I will follow up with another. I presume "No" is the answer.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: My conclusion-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: Its members attended at all meetings.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: That is all the more reason-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: All of the people who were supposed to be in attendance-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: -----at each board meeting were in attendance.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: Okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: A parallel board.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: Yes, but what I am trying to find out - Deputy O'Connell raised the same question - is the extent to which the interests and concerns in, and views on, all that we are now discussing were represented at those board meetings. Ms Conroy's answer is that it was not those boards' responsibility, but it was. If there is a project, and a very expensive one as it now happens, it would naturally...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: As a result, they were apprised of developments at all times.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: There were no exceptions. Did nobody pose questions in April 2017 when it was apparent that there was going to be an overrun, and perhaps a considerable one?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: It was obvious that it was going to happen.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Bernard Durkan: The problem arose between April and September. That is the period in question.

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