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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: On the same point, we asked Tusla and the Department, when their representatives appeared before us last time, for information on the guardian ad litemscheme. We sought an awful lot of further information. I have not seen any of that come back. It is the same point. We ask for clarification but it is hard to track whether we get it within a reasonable timeframe.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: Could I have a supplementary one-page paper from you, Chairman, or the secretariat to complement whatever draft we get, setting out exactly what work we are carrying out? My understanding is that we were doing an examination of the sales process of Project Eagle - an examination of the Comptroller and Auditor General's report and we were not carrying out any investigation. This is now quite...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: I have asked for it personally, but I think it would be important for everybody to have it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: It would provide the clarity that would inform us all so that different members of the committee do not have different interpretations.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: Can I make one follow-up point? This is not a criticism of the clerk to the committee but my office was in contact with him and there were seven or eight e-mails exchanged. The response I got back about the delay implied that it had nothing to do with staffing. Staffing was not even referenced. I was told that the delay was to do with tying up loose ends. That is the problem we have;...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: I welcome the witnesses. I have a number of questions for the Comptroller and Auditor General because I seek clarity. On page 13, paragraph 1.7, of his report he stated the estimated savings were to be €31 million. That was the plan. Was that figure for 2005 to 2014, inclusive? Was it a target?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: For clarity purposes, what period did the general expectation cover?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: The Comptroller and Auditor General measured that general expectation against what was actually achieved. I am looking at two graphs, figure 3.4 on page 35 and figure 3.5 on page 36. He said that an overall saving of €8 million had been achieved. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: A cash saving.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: Did the general estimation of €31 million include those types of issues?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: Notwithstanding that, the estimation was, or the intention or hope was, to achieve a net saving of €31 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: The actual cash saving was €8 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: On page 27, in reference to the Staffing and Operations Review Team, SORT, report, it states that the report noted the need for building renovations and in some cases major construction projects, and that most of this work would result in a reduction of staffing requirements, as well as contributing to a better living environment for prisoners and an improved working environment for staff....

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: It states that it would result in a reduction of staffing requirements.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: On page 24, in reference to sick leave, it states that it has been alleged that under the overtime system there was an incentive for prison officers to "play the system" and that some prison officers took sick leave to boost the income of colleagues and vice versa. I am wondering why an allegation was included in this report. Our job is to examine facts and ventilate whether an allegation...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: I understand that but it is included in this report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: I understand but it is quite unusual, in my view, to include an allegation in a report from the Comptroller and Auditor General's office.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

David Cullinane: There is a reference made to an allegation. I am asking if that allegation was tested. Is it still an allegation or has it been proved that there were, as was said, prison officers playing the system?

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