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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: There was a figure for costs that the agency had incurred but had not been paid by the HSE, which was being examined by Deloitte but it still has not completed a report. The preliminary findings of that report were accepted by the HSE. Included in the award, I think, was €600,000 in respect of unpaid care services. That matter has been agreed. All along while we talked here the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: The report has still not been issued.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: We think it was on a certain date but I shall ask for the debate to be displayed on the screen.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am not sure but we will come back to the matter.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: No. That is the essence of private session.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: We discuss the matter.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: No. The whistleblower legislation is quite new.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: So there are not many established cases. In terms of discussions in private session, I do not think matters were discussed in private session for the Angela Kerins case. Private debates are recorded but they are not transcribed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes, as I recall. It is relatively new legislation.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: In terms of today's matter, this is only the second whistleblower that I am aware of who has formally requested to meet us in private session.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Interestingly, the first one led to a commission of investigation and this whistleblower has ultimately led to a commission. There are strong parallels.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: There will be no written record of the meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: The machine records them but they are not transcribed. They are in the bowels of the building.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: They are deemed private documents in the Oireachtas.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: No, they are not provided.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am going to be open.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: I can give my own personal experience. An issue arose previously a couple of years ago in terms of something that I was meant to have said and it was not transcribed. I went over to somewhere in Kildare House and put on headphones. I was able to listen to the tape recording of what was actually said but there was never a transcript produced. That was a one-off, following a request by a...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: I would expect that there is a minute of that meeting but not a full transcript because-----

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