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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Quarterly Update on Health Issues: Discussion
Quarterly Update on Health Issues: Discussion
(6 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: It is his fault.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Quarterly Update on Health Issues: Discussion
Quarterly Update on Health Issues: Discussion
(6 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Why not?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Quarterly Update on Health Issues: Discussion
Quarterly Update on Health Issues: Discussion
(6 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Non-committee members have had free run and have not obeyed the Chair. It is unacceptable.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Quarterly Update on Health Issues: Discussion
Quarterly Update on Health Issues: Discussion
(6 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Is it that the Chairman thinks I am looking the angriest and it is a safer bet to ask me? Mr. John Connaghan was in the role before Mr. Sullivan took up the role. Is that the same Mr. John Connaghan we have met here before?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Quarterly Update on Health Issues: Discussion
Quarterly Update on Health Issues: Discussion
(6 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: What was his role again? I cannot remember what his job was.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Quarterly Update on Health Issues: Discussion
Quarterly Update on Health Issues: Discussion
(6 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I am not suggesting that anyone is telling lies here but Deputy Kelly, who has just left, has a famous line about the people watching at home who are getting teed up for the six o'clock news. For normal people watching at home, it is not acceptable or believable that Mr. John Connaghan, who was in the role that has just been described, was in Mr. Sullivan's position and that taxpayer's money...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Quarterly Update on Health Issues: Discussion
Quarterly Update on Health Issues: Discussion
(6 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: The records are very clear on the official documentation of what was known when. Does Mr. Woods believe that people at home actually think nobody mentioned, "You know that hospital we were going to build is going to cost X amount more"?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Quarterly Update on Health Issues: Discussion
Quarterly Update on Health Issues: Discussion
(6 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Why does Mr. Woods think that a series of reviews started in 2017? Does he think they just happened out of the blue?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Quarterly Update on Health Issues: Discussion
Quarterly Update on Health Issues: Discussion
(6 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: It is not really credible to refer to November. Although the GMP figure had crystallised in November, does Mr. Breslin think it is credible for the public when they hear this? We have the HSE and the Department of Health - I would argue over the need for both, but that is another day's work. We have this change of governance structure etc. The minutes are the minutes, but, as I said last...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I have attended all the committee meetings on this issue so far. I am none the wiser as a result. It is absolutely shocking that the witnesses did not have the figures to hand. It seems obvious that we would ask for a breakdown between construction and other costs. Mr. Breslin was in this room with me yesterday at the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Health. It seemed very clear that the...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Absolutely. I am not suggesting the HSE should know how to do big projects. I am just saying that is what was decided. However, we now see that there was absolutely no point in having this board because it did not seem to have delivered on the competency in terms of keeping control of costs or watching how things were being done. It just seems shocking that a board would be in a position...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: There would be change of scope, as I described, inflation or VAT.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: That would be legislation that would change the price, essentially. Can the witness guarantee I will not be back here next year having the same conversation about why the price has increased to €3 billion? Is the GMP really the maximum price? Is Mr. Breslin giving a guarantee to the committee that unless scope is changed, inflation rockets or different taxation measures are...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I thank the witness. I asked Mr. Breslin at yesterday's meeting of the Committee on Health if we were getting a better product than we were on day one.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: The witness said that we were. Will he elaborate a bit on what is better?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: That has only happened recently. Why did we not get all those people in on day one? Why were those people not included in the competency-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: We do not need to go there. Those experts working in the area were pulled into the process, and that is why we are getting a better product for the children of Ireland than we were initially.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: We are waiting for figures to come back on the construction and non-construction costs. There was mention of €66 million in savings in the business case by Mr. Pollock. There was a tender of €637 million and the business case took off €66 million. How was that saved? The figure went from €637 million to €571 million but it hopped back up to €980...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: To clarify, there was a budget and all the tenders were over the budget so it was decided to descope, essentially, and bring down the price. Is that a correct analysis?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: They must not have been examined too closely at that point.

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