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Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: I am very fair and believe the other Deputies would agree.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: I am passionate, but I am fair.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: Sometimes the Minister does not listen.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: If the Minister is to stick to the framework of his Bill, he should call the allowance the "parliamentary parties allowance".

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: The Minister is framing it that way in not wanting to be fair. The Bill is framed in a way that is unfair. Deputy Stephen Donnelly has demonstrated how this is the case. After having been kicked out of the Fine Gael Parliamentary Party and having heard nothing for three months, I resigned from the party. Let me give an example of my experience having been chucked out of the party.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: The Minister needs to know this and I want to share it.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: Will the Minister just, please, listen?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: My website stated "Peter Mathews TD". Fine Gael owns it and I cannot use it. It receives the parliamentary activities allowance, which is to be approximately €120,000 plus for the remaining two and a half years. The party’s coffers are filled and it holds on to the website that uses the wording "Peter Mathews TD". I have had to find another title, www.petermathews.ie....

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: That is the experience.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: That is a political-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: If the Vice Chairman’s bank account that he had justifiably earmarked for his political activities and research in the next two and a half years was cleaned out, how would he feel?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: The amendment tabled by Deputy Sean Fleming is to correct this position, which is why it is very good. It is fair and transparent. Even the Minister for Health talks about money following the patient. Money should follow the Member of Parliament to do his or her work; it is very simple. I want the Minister to apply the Government’s own principles and my colleagues would agree. A...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: Hear, hear.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: No, but this is the benefit of looking at things afresh from scratch. One does not start adding and subtracting wings, chains or wheels to the first aeroplane or prototype that did not fly. One goes back to the drawing board with one's theory and then with one's practical application of theory and one tries it again. I believe we have reached that stage. As Deputy Fleming has proposed,...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: How did the Minister get that impression?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: I am merely stating one should not be afraid to look at things afresh.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: Without examining the framework.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: No, there is the Minister's way. It is his document.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: Deputy Donnelly is correct. The Minister is trying to put me down, so he may go ahead.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (27 Feb 2014)

Peter Mathews: I thank the Minister and his colleagues for their attendance. I get the feeling going into the algebra of this Bill that perhaps we should take a clean slate approach to this and start defining exactly what these parliamentary activities allowances should be and build from that, from page 1, rather than trying to do sticky-plaster amendments or codicils to an existing framework. Questions...

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