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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: The Department's interest then, and its interest now -----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: ----- do not extend to influencing the outcome of individual cases.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: When the assets to which the commercially sensitive e-mails refer are gone, the information is no longer sensitive and can be released.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Mr. Moran appears anxious to get information into the public domain to help the understanding of NAMA, the loans and the Department of Finance. He is dealing with FOI requests but he has no difficulty in allowing the information to be released. I do not refer to specific information. I am referring to information from the Department on its role and activities in respect of NAMA. He is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Let me clarify some points arising from what we have heard this morning. Again, I go back to my opening remarks which were aimed at ensuring NAMA and the Department of Finance would address many of the issues in the public domain to allay fears, restore trust and limit the damage, if any damage had been done. Mr. Daly has dealt with this in very strong terms in the context of how he feels...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: That is disclosure.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: There was no basis for the complaint.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Who would have made the complaints? How did they arise? Does NAMA detect complaints in its processes? Is it by a member of the public or somebody else who makes a complaint? Did NAMA discover the complaint in each of these five cases? How did they come to light?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Therefore, there are two employees involved.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Was there ever a case where another file relevant to somebody else was leaked or investigated by NAMA? I am not talking about Mr. McKillen. I just want to clarify a point.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Will Mr. Daly answer that question? Did anyone ever make a complaint to him about a document being passed elsewhere?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: The second case; therefore, it is one of the two.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Did any staff within NAMA, the other thing about which we read, ever purchase a property or have the benefit of a property?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: It is the same case.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: Would Mr. Daly and Mr. McDonagh like to comment on what has been written in the media about their request relating to properties?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: I am just asking these questions because they are being asked.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: At the beginning, I asked about the emails because the matter had been raised in the Chamber and to give Mr. Moran the opportunity to clarify the background to it. He has done this. What concerns me about the documents is the fact that he said it might be appropriate at some stage in the future when the documents become less commercially sensitive to release part of the information. He has...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: For how long has it been on appeal?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
NAMA - Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
(20 Dec 2013)

John McGuinness: The reason I ask is we spoke to Mr. Moran before about some banking documents which had been heavily redacted. They continue to be of a sensitive nature. That has been ongoing for years. Will the same apply in this case? Will we have this type of issue with these documents such that it will go on for years and years and much of the information will not be put into the public domain to...

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