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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am not sure but we will come back to the matter.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: No. That is the essence of private session.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: We discuss the matter.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: No. The whistleblower legislation is quite new.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: So there are not many established cases. In terms of discussions in private session, I do not think matters were discussed in private session for the Angela Kerins case. Private debates are recorded but they are not transcribed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes, as I recall. It is relatively new legislation.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: In terms of today's matter, this is only the second whistleblower that I am aware of who has formally requested to meet us in private session.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Interestingly, the first one led to a commission of investigation and this whistleblower has ultimately led to a commission. There are strong parallels.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: There will be no written record of the meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: The machine records them but they are not transcribed. They are in the bowels of the building.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: They are deemed private documents in the Oireachtas.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: No, they are not provided.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am going to be open.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: I can give my own personal experience. An issue arose previously a couple of years ago in terms of something that I was meant to have said and it was not transcribed. I went over to somewhere in Kildare House and put on headphones. I was able to listen to the tape recording of what was actually said but there was never a transcript produced. That was a one-off, following a request by a...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: I would expect that there is a minute of that meeting but not a full transcript because-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: To the transcript?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: There is no transcript. It was never done.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will get it checked out. As I understand it, there is no transcript but we will see if it can be done. That is not a commitment that it will be done, however. We will inquire about that. We have agreed to invite the whistleblower in, to meet in private session to discuss the relevant matters and not to stray into the areas that are being investigated by the commission. The legal...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: There has to be a minute. If the Committee of Public Accounts had a meeting in private session, minutes would have been produced-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will have that circulated to members. The meeting has to happen before Mr. Tony O'Brien comes in.

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