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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: Where is that €10 million?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: We are conflating two matters. The IBRC investigation is completely separate. The point I was raising is that I am nearly sure the Taoiseach or the Minister, Deputy Noonan - possibly both - has informed the Dáil that €10 million has been set aside for a commission of investigation into the establishment of NAMA. I apologise if I am incorrect. I do not have the transcript in...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: No. Again, I apologise if I am misportraying what the Taoiseach has said, but the point is that I am 99% sure he has informed the House that €10 million has been set aside for the commission of investigation into NAMA. I am nearly certain of this but I do not have the record before me. Perhaps he can clarify the matter, as we are dealing with his Estimates. Is €10 million...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: It is not accounted for in the Vote.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: It is clear no money is set aside in the Estimates for the Department of the Taoiseach this year for a commission of investigation into NAMA.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: The problem with this is that the amount of money we talked about is €10 million. That creates another €10 million hole in our budget. If the money is to be spent, it must come from somewhere else. We were led to believe that this was provided for.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: I will finish with this question. The Taoiseach has on many occasions declared himself the Minister for Brexit. What is his position on the Revenue Commissioners' scouting for locations for customs posts in my county of Donegal and other counties? He told Deputy Adams yesterday, "I hope nobody is looking for sites along the Border." However, the Taoiseach's Minister for Finance was before...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: I agree with the Taoiseach that it is a political-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Report on Cost of Motor Insurance: Minister of State at the Department of Finance (16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: I was breezing through the report and the page that is open in front of me relates to the Garda Síochána. Obviously we have been very much engaged with issues in respect of Garda and Garda accountability and how the Government handled the latest Garda controversy. Recommendation No. 26 is that the insurance industry actually funds a section of the Garda Síochána. I...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Report on Cost of Motor Insurance: Minister of State at the Department of Finance (16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: Let me repeat that I am issuing a very clear warning shot that this is a very slippery slope. I understand the Minister of State is dealing with all the different recommendations and precedent and all the rest. At the extreme level it could be viewed as the privatisation to a certain nature of a certain section of the Garda. We know that in respect of the Central Bank, that regulation was...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Report on Cost of Motor Insurance: Minister of State at the Department of Finance (16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: The precedent is terrible. Do we allow big business to fund sections of the Garda Síochána that would be of benefit to big business if more resources were put into X, Y or Z? That is the difficulty.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Report on Cost of Motor Insurance: Minister of State at the Department of Finance (16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: With respect, a precedent has already been set. This is a Government document approved by Cabinet which recommends consideration by Government of allowing big business to directly fund a section of An Garda Síochána. We have not yet gone down the road of implementation and my advice to the Minister of State is to step back from that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Report on Cost of Motor Insurance: Minister of State at the Department of Finance (16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: If this report had been implemented three years ago what, in the Minister of State's view, would have been achieved? Would it, in his view, have limited the massive increases in premiums over the past three years? If the Minister of State believes it would have done so then perhaps he would explain the particular recommendations he believes would have led to that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Report on Cost of Motor Insurance: Minister of State at the Department of Finance (16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: The Minister of State mentioned a number of uncertainties but some of them have not taken effect. For example, payments have not changed and, as stated in the report, the legal cost has not been a major factor. Fraud only gets a footnote in the report which would suggest that fraud is not an issue. As mentioned by the Minister of State, the real change is that previously there was a race...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Report on Cost of Motor Insurance: Minister of State at the Department of Finance (16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: Is the Minister of State saying that legal claims are causing the cost of claims to increase?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Report on Cost of Motor Insurance: Minister of State at the Department of Finance (16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: I mentioned earlier that while I welcome some of the work that is being done many of the issues are being long-fingered. This work has been ongoing by the Department for a while now. Most of the recommendations are to either commence consultation or a review process. People were hoping for a bit of action. Recommendation No. 2 relates to the provision of additional information on the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Report on Cost of Motor Insurance: Minister of State at the Department of Finance (16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: When then is the deadline not quarter 1 or quarter 2?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Report on Cost of Motor Insurance: Minister of State at the Department of Finance (16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: Yes, but the quarter 4 deadline has been chosen. The deadline in respect of recommendation 1, which is to work with Insurance Ireland to develop a protocol for the reasons of large increases in premiums, is quarter 2. Both of those are very important issues, which I stressed when the motion was debated in the Dáil. I have also raised it with the Minister of State at committee. There...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Report on Cost of Motor Insurance: Minister of State at the Department of Finance (16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: I am quite taken aback by the 20% figure. An increase of a fifth per year would be far beyond what is reasonable with reference to the consumer price index. Insurance for a 21 year old now is €3,000. There could be a €600 increase here without the insurance company having to justify it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Report on Cost of Motor Insurance: Minister of State at the Department of Finance (16 Feb 2017)

Pearse Doherty: The deadline the Minister of State has set for recommendation No. 2 is that the consultation will begin, at the latest, by New Year's Eve, with legislation coming in, if required, up to six months later. The working group recommends in the report that insurers be required to break down the premium cost to set out the cost of mandatory motor insurance, that is, third party, in addition to the...

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