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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(8 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: Given the failure to reach a conclusion on this up to now, which side was holding out? Was it the Department or those affected? It has gone on for years.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(8 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: Okay, we will come back after 17 February and pursue the matter again. A number of senior civil servants and those in universities and the world of academia have years added to their pensions on retirement. How many have benefited by this practice over the years? For example, how many benefited last year? What is the cost difference to the State?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(8 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: Just to be clear, we are looking for the numbers involved, maybe over a number of years, and then the cost and so on. With regard to the procurement process, I want to raise the issue of the International Protection Accommodation Services. The Minister oversees the different Departments, the procurement process and so on. Why have so many of those providing accommodation services and so...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(8 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: Is the procurement process being adhered to? How are these properties being procured in the first place? Is it in line with what the Minister of State, Deputy Smyth, said earlier on? If it is, there has to be examination of the property and there has to be a contract in place. There has to be an agreement for payment at a particular time. Is the Minister of State aware of how all of that...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(8 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: Okay. I understand the case that is being made on legacy issues. I am sure the Minister has read the The Irish Mail on Sundayand has seen the headlines - both outside and inside - about issues in the Department of Health and the HSE. There is a whistleblower called Shane Corr. His name is a matter of public knowledge. What does the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(8 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: Some of the allegations made by Mr. Corr seem very concerning from the position of the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform. The Minister can tell me if I am wrong, but I would have imagined that his Department would have reacted immediately to those allegations to determine the truth and the facts of the matter and to insist on the Department...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(8 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: I understand that. Separate from the issue that received the main headline, other issues relating to the Department of Health were raised inside different editions of the newspaper. It is those issues I am asking about at the moment. Does the Minister get a report from the Department of Health on each of those issues? I am not necessarily referring in this case to the refund issue.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(8 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: Finally, I will turn to refunds, although not necessarily specifically on that issue. That the Department has a legal arm to stonewall a person until such time as discovery is asked for shows the might of the State against the individual. Not many individuals can stay the course until the point of discovery. They will just leave it. I have seen the same tactic - I will not call it a...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(8 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: I will finish by saying that in the case of Noel McGree a decision has been made and the Department continues to refuse to honour the outcome. There is an outcome and a report in the case of Julie Grace but there has been no sign-off on the report. This has gone on for years and years and it is the same with Sean O'Brien. I could name more cases but there is a trend that reflects the...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(8 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: That brings us to a conclusion in terms of our consideration of the Revised Estimates.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(8 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: A last question because we have to be out of here.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(8 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: There is no such thing as a minute, but go ahead.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(8 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: The Minister has some information that he will share.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Message to Dáil (8 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: In accordance with Standing Order 101, the following message will be sent to the Dáil: The Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach has completed its consideration of the Revised Estimates for public services for the year ending 31 December 2023: Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform; Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances; Vote 14 - State...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
Vote 43 - Office of the Government Chief Information Officer (Revised)
(8 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: I take it from the Minister that it has been discussed by the Cabinet, which is aware of the overall problem through the country, and that steps are being taken to address it.

Written Answers — Department of Finance: Banking Sector (1 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: 94. To ask the Minister for Finance if his attention has been drawn to the findings of a report by a person (details supplied). [5054/23]

Written Answers — Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection: Social Welfare Appeals (1 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: 159. To ask the Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection if she will provide an update on the case of a person (details supplied). [5121/23]

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Joint Committee (1 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: In the meeting this morning we dealt with the minutes of a joint committee meeting on Wednesday, 25 January 2023 and agreed those minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Ulster Bank and KBC Bank Ireland (1 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: Today we are dealing with KBC an Ulster Bank with regard to their withdrawal from the Irish banking market. We are joined from Ulster Bank by Ms Jane Howard, CEO, and Ms Elizabeth Arnett. From KBC, we have Mr. Frank Jansen, CEO and executive director; Mr. Barry D'Arcy, chief risk officer; and Mr. Darragh Lennon, director of retail distribution, in attendance. I remind members and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Ulster Bank and KBC Bank Ireland (1 Feb 2023)

John McGuinness: Earlier, Ms Howard referred to credit cards. Could she tell us the numbers involved in this regard and how the bank assists its customer to get different credit cards?

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