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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Does the approved housing body interim regulatory committee anticipate that action will be taken? Has there been any feedback?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I appreciate the work done on the ground by the voluntary housing associations. I come from a background of thinking that local authorities should provide housing at all times. The AHBs should be additional. Housing should not be based on charity. Charity should have no role anywhere. That is just my personal preference on public housing. In regard to tenure, I always understood that...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is from where I got the idea.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I did not catch that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Dr. McManus used the word "generally". Are all the tenants drawn from that list? Not generally-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I might follow up on that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: If it is not 100%, it is because of a specific scheme with discretion over a certain percentage such as the 25% discretion attaching to the CAS.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: In the context of tenure, I always understood that AHBs were exactly parallel with local authorities. Controlled rent is not quite the same. There are two schemes. First there is differential rent, as with local authorities. The second scheme concerns tenure for life. Is it still tenure for life?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is great. Again, I see that some housing associations acquire assets through the NAMA or in some other way. Tenure seems to have been reduced. It is for five or ten years, but there is no guarantee of life tenure. What percentage is that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: The NAMA scheme is just one. There are other ways of acquiring assets.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I might follow up on that later. Mr. Hannigan is stating that there is life tenure in the vast majority of cases. There is no difference.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I understand the reclassification has divided approved housing bodies into tiers 1, 2 and 3, depending on their size. What percentage is accounted for by tier 3?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is the only tier that was reclassified, is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. Hannigan has already clarified the problem with that. It restricts how housing bodies borrow. Due to changes in funding, housing associations will rely on funding from the private market in future, from whatever source. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: How will the loans be paid back if the differential rent is maintained?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: This is the HAP scheme under another name.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: What is the difference?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: This is different in the sense that the housing associations offer tenure for life.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is very good. This is also linked to the market, but the proportion is a bit smaller.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: However, Government policy is to house people through the HAP scheme or via housing associations. That is, it relies on getting money through the market and plays around with the rent a little bit. Is that right? The gap between what the tenant pays and the market rent, which is not sustainable, is paid by the taxpayer.

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