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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is a fair comment.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: That was a formal investigation, with documentation in the room. There was no leak from that committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes. Should we write to the Committee on Procedure and Privileges to outline our concerns? A member of the Committee of Public Accounts is responsible for this leak. Should we ask that committee to write to each individual member? I can ask people, but if the CPP would point out the responsibility of members separately it might help. There are two concerns. The first is that the slant of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: We did.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will get out the correspondence. We eventually took the matter into our own hands and did not circulate any further electronic copies. We only handed them out. We had to do that ourselves. That is not possible with weekly correspondence, however.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: That was a formal investigation into a matter approved by the Dáil. We are not in compellability mode. We are like any other committee seeking goodwill from people to co-operate. To go down the compellability road, the committee would have to get the approval of the House and the CPP and specify the reasons it was necessary. That is a mammoth task and not feasible for a weekly agenda.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: No. Quite a lot of the correspondence is not published from all the State bodies.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: The secretariat is taking it on board and seeing if it can come up with some formula or other. It is asking for time to be allowed to come back on that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Which document?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: We got that subsequently.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will ask the secretariat to see if a formula can be developed to improve the situation. The next tranche of correspondence is category C. Items C1 to C4, inclusive, are from an individual and relate to new evidence in an ongoing dispute between North Meath Communities Development Association and the HSE. We wrote in March to this body to convey the decision of the committee that it is...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: We received a response from the Minister for Health which has been sent on to the people who wrote to us directly on the matter. Did we write to the Taoiseach's office?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will follow up that item of correspondence, repeat it or send a copy. We will get a response and send that out. However, the new evidence referred to relates to 2001 and is not new evidence at all. It is not even the last decade. We will follow up the matter with the Taoiseach's office.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Perhaps that is the route. It may be the Minister they should be talking to and not the PAC. We will conclude. We will send out the reply from the Minister and get the reply from the Taoiseach's office. We will communicate it to them when we have done that. It will arise in correspondence.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is a good suggestion. We will ask the secretariat to work on having a standard document in place so that when we get documentation that we are all satisfied is not within our remit, we can say that, according to that document, this is the procedure. We spend a lot of time on business that is not within our remit on some occasions. People can have genuine grievances regarding how they...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes, it was. Prior to the last election, letters were issued by the then Committee of Public Accounts-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes, the last committee got into it in more detail than we feel we should. There have been arbitrators' reports all over the place on this. We are not here to re-arbitrate on arbitrators' reports. That is not our function. As the Deputy has said, lots of correspondents have given us copies of arbitrators' reports over the years but that is not our function. We will get the correspondence...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: No, we are noting it and we are certainly not publishing it. It is confidential medical information on the individual.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes. I think at this stage-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: We got the information for a good reason. She sent it to us, at considerable difficulty to herself. We must respect, appreciate and empathise-----

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