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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Is that agreed? Agreed. Turning to correspondence received since our meeting on 16 January 2014, No. 3A covers correspondence from Accounting Officers and Ministers. No. 3A.1 is correspondence dated 15 January 2014 from Ms Deirdre McDonnell, principal officer at the Department of Education and Skills, in response to an issue of public procurement contracts by the small to medium-sized...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: No. 3A.2 is dated 23 December 2013 from Dr. Ambrose McLoughlin, Secretary General of the Department of Health re further information requested at our meeting of 19 December. This is to be noted and published. Some of the issues relate to the CRC and will be considered when we receive the special report. No. 3B covers individual correspondence. No. 3B.1 is dated 10 January 2014 from Mr....

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2014: First Stage (22 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: I move:That leave be granted to introduce a Bill entitled an Act to amend the Water Services Act 2013 to make provision to include Irish Water under the remit of the Comptroller and Auditor General and to provide for related matters.

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2014: First Stage (22 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: If the Bill were taken as a matter of urgency it would deal with some of the issues regarding Irish Water. Another example might be Poolbeg. The Comptroller and Auditor General could be involved. It is very important that the Taoiseach consider it seriously.

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2014: First Stage (22 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: I move: "That the Bill be taken in Private Members' time." Perhaps the Taoiseach may consider otherwise.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: That brings our discussions to a close. In closing the meeting and arising from Deputy Dowds's request, I ask that the committee be sent a profile of both hospitals in respect of patient throughput and numbers and so on, to help members to understand the volume of work and outturn in respect of operations and so on. Earlier, I mentioned correspondence I had received and which I will forward...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: The HSE is to receive the legal information and it might share it with the committee because we also want to understand. Our goal is the same, namely, value for money, making sure taxpayers' money is spent properly and so on. Had Deputy Harris a brief point to make?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Deputy Dowds and Deputy Murphy have indicated. I will take Deputy Murphy first. I ask members to be brief because we are anxious to conclude. We have been here for a while.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: We have discussed the matter already.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Many other issues emerged early on in the meeting which have to be resolved between both parties.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: To be helpful to both parties, that is a very important question. We have discussed the matter. It is up to both parties to sort it out because issues might arise above and beyond what we have heard. It would be unfair to confine the parties to an answer they would give today. With respect to Deputy Dowds, because we have gone through matters-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Yes. We will come back to the issue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Has Mr. O'Brien seen the legal advice that was given to St. Vincent's? Has the group shared that information with the HSE?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Did it share the actual advice?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Would Professor Whelan be willing to give the HSE a copy of that legal advice to clarify the position? A simple "Yes" or "No" will suffice.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Professor Whelan is saying he will give the legal advice to Mr. O'Brien?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: I hope he is referring to all of it, not just a short synopsis. Does Mr. O'Brien have the names and positions of the other members of staff who were in receipt of top-ups?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Has that happened?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: I accept that. My question is whether St. Vincent's has complied with that requirement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: That is what Mr. O'Brien has been told?

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