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National Treasury Management Agency (Amendment) Bill 2014: Report Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: I appreciate the comments of Deputies Doherty, Boyd Barrett and Higgins. Deputy Doherty said regional development was not in the dictionary. I might not disagree with that but, at the very least, the people running this fund will have to give it consideration now. It is better being in than not. There is an issue for Ministers and senior civil servants who make the macro financial...

National Treasury Management Agency (Amendment) Bill 2014: Report Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: It is under his pillow.

National Treasury Management Agency (Amendment) Bill 2014: Report Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: I move amendment No. 13:In page 40, line 8, to delete “Ireland Strategic Investment Fund” and substitute “National Strategic Investment Fund”.Deputy Pearse Doherty said yesterday that no amendment was being accepted by the Government. Strictly, that is correct, but it is fair to state the Government has redrafted some of the amendments I proposed in a Government...

National Treasury Management Agency (Amendment) Bill 2014: Report Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: Am I correct that amendments Nos. 13 to 15, inclusive, and amendments Nos. 17 to 24, inclusive, are being taken together?

National Treasury Management Agency (Amendment) Bill 2014: Report Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: This issue was raised in the Committee of Public Accounts a few weeks ago. The Secretary General of the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government appeared and I asked him about the financing of social housing. His response was that the Department is actively utilising the strategic investment fund to seek private equity and private investors in social housing. This was...

Written Answers — Department of Finance: Tax Credits (8 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: 163. To ask the Minister for Finance the number of applications that have been received and approved to date under the home renovation incentive scheme announced in Budget 2014; and if he will provide a breakdown of the take-up by county. [29060/14]

Written Answers — Department of Communications, Energy and Natural Resources: Wildlife Conservation (8 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: 476. To ask the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources if he will respond to the issues raised in a consultant report (details supplied) relating to current salmon conservation measures within the Waterford stock complex; the recommendation therein for a new and extended closed-season survey as suggested by the Waterford Estuary Fishermen’s Association; and if he...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: People within organisations may have a different view on this. This is what happened in some cases where the HSE was not taken seriously on public pay issues. It was felt that an organisation should hire a particular person at a certain level so that it could benefit. In many cases this was done out of a sense of care for the organisation in question. There were good reasons for this and...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: It seems to me there is an element of fiscal political correctness creeping into the debate around these issues. It is important to bear in mind that we arrived here artificially. In other countries, they look at the issue pragmatically. It happens all the time that consideration is given to the fact that where a large salary is given, the individual in receipt of it should have the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: I acknowledged that at the outset.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: This entire thing is slightly disingenuous. Mr. Goulding has explained that Mr. Kiely's pay was set at a particular level and he did not receive any increases. It was a case of the benchmarking system that was in place at a time when people had different perceptions when it came to pay and salaries. I am not using CRC as the example for the policy argument; charities are different and...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: I agree with that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: I agree with that based on the disparity within the charitable sector; one has to separate that out. However, as far as the other issue is concerned - and this is addressed to all the delegates - by limiting pay, notwithstanding the business case exceptions, the question must be asked as to whether we are damaging or weakening the sector by kowtowing to political considerations. The HSE...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: If Mr. Healy finds one organisation where that is the case, I could find another where it is not.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: I do not agree with that for one second; I think the HSE is very much involved and always has been. The Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform signs on the dotted line. The HSE is asked for its input and knowledge when a policy is formulated. If Ms McGuinness is telling me the HSE has nothing to do with public pay policy for section 38 organisations and in this area, I do not believe...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: Is there any circumstance in which Ms McGuinness could see somebody being paid over the odds with regard to public pay policy that would have a benefit for an organisation or the health care sector? She should not run around that question. Is there such a circumstance?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: There is a danger that we have regressed to a situation where it is only appropriate to pay an individual who is incredibly skilled and suited to an organisation a certain amount and that a pay level above and beyond that figure is not being tolerated. Negative results accrue from this. That is not taken into consideration. Mr. Goulding has made it very clear that there was no contrivance...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: I think the HSE knew very well for years what people were being paid and there are people in it who would make the same argument as me. It has been railroaded into this because it was not doing its job. There is a danger for the health sector and those organisations, including section 38 organisations, that this is too confined. I believe in the free market, even when it involves...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: I am interested in pay policy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

John Deasy: I welcome the deputation. I intend to come at this a little differently because the subject matter has been dealt with comprehensively by members. I will give the deputation my take on what has happened here, why we are in this room and how the position has evolved in recent months. Furthermore, I will ask some questions with regard to public pay policy. There seems to be almost an...

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