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Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: I thank the witnesses for their contributions and answers to the questions. They have been really informative. Many of my questions have been answered. I am drawn to the potential new pathway to parenthood and what is laid out about ensuring something is ethical. Most of us want a regulated, ethical framework. The route for intended parents in the new pathway to parenthood stands out to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: I would be concerned about class bias when the regulator is deciding that. Restrictions make sense in a limited number of circumstances, such as if somebody is a danger to a child, but that does not necessarily incorporate all things that might come up in a criminal record. It just stood out to me. I want to make sure that all groups, regardless of their background, have access to a legal,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: Basically, restrictions result in refusing rights and protections to children who will be born anyway. Regulation is much more ethical, whether one believes in surrogacy or not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: I thank Ms Gamble.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: I think Senator Keogan needs to qualify what she means by exploitation instead of just throwing it out. She is not giving examples; it is not thought out. If she is talking about exploitation, where and what is that exploitation?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: What is the Senator's point?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: It is very important for people to understand the difference between paternalism, feminism and how different they are. I am infuriated at the idea that because of certain demographic qualities, women somehow would not have the ability to consent to what they do with their lives. If we stretched our minds that far, we would realise what feminism really is when it comes to women's capacity to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: The witnesses mentioned the difficult case in England where people were considering how to bypass consent. It is an issue for many people to think this would be allowed for one case, especially if it could be misused by a court at any other stage. What are the conversations around this? What safeguards are in place with regard to the idea that consent would be removed or with regard to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: That was not the context Ms Gamble was speaking about. She was talking about gay men accessing services. Ms Gamble was talking about something totally different.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: It is misrepresentative of the context.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: Not in the context that Senator Keogan is suggesting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: To clarify what said regarding people being able to be more ethical when they are wealthier, that was said in response to a question from Senator Seery Kearney concerning gay men's access to surrogacy or being able to travel further afield. It referred to a context where things are more established and regulated, instead of intended parents who are less wealthy being forced into less ideal...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: Ms Gamble was very clear. I was more concerned with making this point because what was said in the contribution was being misrepresented on this side. Therefore, I thought it important to record that Ms Gamble was not talking about the surrogate, but about the economic position of the intended parents, their options and their ability to access these services. Moving to another topic, and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (7 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: I thank all the witnesses for their contributions. This issue definitely involves a steep learning curve for me. I will ask direct questions and I would appreciate answers that are as concise as possible. The issues paper refers to appropriate safeguards. I am thinking about the appropriate safeguards in respect of one of the ethical concerns being raised, namely, commercialisation....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (7 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: Regarding regulation on behalf of Ireland on an international basis, does Mr. Munro think it would be possible to differentiate clearly between those who are being trafficked or exploited and those in genuine surrogacy arrangements, whereby those safeguards are in place? Does he think regulation will help to determine which is which?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (7 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: My next question may be for the Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth. When there is international surrogacy and a child comes to Ireland with his or her intended parents, what other rights of the child are being violated by not granting parentage on arrival in Ireland? How do we prioritise those rights as to what access the child has to a mother and a father,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (7 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: I thank Mr. Duff.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (7 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: I apologise if I ask legal questions that I really should understand, but I will bring it back down to basic questions. Obviously, we are not in a position to regulate something that is not within our jurisdiction, but we are in a position to regulate something that is in our jurisdiction, which means when intending parents arrive here. There is the legal question of what somebody's legal...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (7 Apr 2022)

Lynn Ruane: I am wondering what our rights are in respect of the surrogate mother. That is the thing. If we have no jurisdiction, how do we ensure her rights? That is my question. I am not saying ethically we do not want that, but from an international law perspective.

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