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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Artificial Intelligence in the Workplace: Discussion (21 Jun 2023)

Louise O'Reilly: I thank our guests for the information they have given thus far. This is one of the most important hearings we have had. It is an area where people tend to roll their eyes and say this is happening and there is little we can do about it. I do not think that is the case. I welcome the words from Dr. Bambrick and it is important we say again that workers are not looking to turn back the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Artificial Intelligence in the Workplace: Discussion (21 Jun 2023)

Louise O'Reilly: It does. I looked at the make-up of the GovTech board and its responsibility for what will be the model of best practice for employers. If that falls short, it is a serious problem. Would either of our other guests like to comment on that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Artificial Intelligence in the Workplace: Discussion (21 Jun 2023)

Louise O'Reilly: I agree. The problem is this has been established and they are not. ICTU's submission referred to requiring consultation with workers and unions before the introduction of AI but it is here and, by all accounts, there was no consultation. There is an element of a lot of people running along behind this. That is not to say we will not catch up. Of course we will. Perhaps this has gone on...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Artificial Intelligence in the Workplace: Discussion (21 Jun 2023)

Louise O'Reilly: That is the problem.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Artificial Intelligence in the Workplace: Discussion (21 Jun 2023)

Louise O'Reilly: Deep AI, yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Artificial Intelligence in the Workplace: Discussion (21 Jun 2023)

Louise O'Reilly: I would not at all think that was a radical suggestion. By all means, have the people who are impacted there. Do Dr. Bambrick or Mr. Joyce want to speak?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Artificial Intelligence in the Workplace: Discussion (21 Jun 2023)

Louise O'Reilly: We are in the majority. It has to be said.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Artificial Intelligence in the Workplace: Discussion (21 Jun 2023)

Louise O'Reilly: That is the thing that people are concerned about. I know my time is up and will finish on this. The unfortunate thing is that often when one confronts this, the answer is that it is huge, complicated and moving faster than the human brain. At some point, we have to be able to say, "Stop". If it takes time, it takes time, and if it needs to be done slowly, I think we as legislators have a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Artificial Intelligence in the Workplace: Discussion (21 Jun 2023)

Louise O'Reilly: This has suddenly gone in a different direction.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Artificial Intelligence in the Workplace: Discussion (21 Jun 2023)

Louise O'Reilly: It is using AI to check for AI.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Artificial Intelligence in the Workplace: Discussion (21 Jun 2023)

Louise O'Reilly: I apologise as I have to leave straight after this contribution but I will read the transcript afterwards. With regard to Luddites, I have to be very careful because my husband has something of an alternative view. He says the Luddites were simply heroes who understood technology. They get bad press very often. With regard to the FSU report, with which our colleagues from ICTU will be...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Artificial Intelligence in the Workplace: Discussion (21 Jun 2023)

Louise O'Reilly: What about oversight?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Artificial Intelligence in the Workplace: Discussion (21 Jun 2023)

Louise O'Reilly: The nature of these discussions is such that they cannot be confined. AI will not be confinable. Could the Bar Council of Ireland comment on excessive surveillance and the mechanism for oversight?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Artificial Intelligence in the Workplace: Discussion (21 Jun 2023)

Louise O'Reilly: The issue is that where those data are collected, they are machine read. People cannot tell a machine if they are shopping for their elderly neighbour who does not work in that place or require health insurance-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Artificial Intelligence in the Workplace: Discussion (21 Jun 2023)

Louise O'Reilly: -----so the difficulty is not with the collection of data but with the storage, who can see the information and what they can do with it, as well as with the fact the machine that looks at it does not take account of the person but just the top level. A person can buy all the vegetables they like, but a machine cannot tell whether they eat them. They are only the person’s purchasing...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Artificial Intelligence in the Workplace: Discussion (21 Jun 2023)

Louise O'Reilly: I could spend a lot on sportswear, and while that does not mean I run every day, I might get cheaper health insurance as a result. There are serious issues we need to look at relating to machines examining people's behaviour and making decisions about them. That relates to purchasing habits but, at the end of the day, we are talking about issues that could have people sacked and that is why...

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