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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Is there funding put aside for that purpose?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: It was my understanding - I could be wrong - there was funding put aside to pay wages.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: At the previous meeting, we agreed that we would ask for them to respond with a breakdown of what happened following-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: For the HSE to give us a document on what happened when a new company got the contract, and how much is owed and why is it owed. We do not seem to have the full picture.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Are we prevented from sitting on a holy day?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Mr. O'Brien described nursing home provision as a free market environment. Will he elaborate on what he meant by that?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Is it fair to say the less public provision there is the greater the need for the private sector to step in?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Is it fair to say the less public provision there is the greater the need for the private sector to step in?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Mr. O'Brien has also said there was a decline in the number of public beds available.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Will he give us the figures? When did the decline start and what was the number of available beds then compared to now?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Were beds lost before that?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Did the Prospectus report not project nursing home need in the public sector over a long time period?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: The report recommended an increase, but there was actually a decrease.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Is that a long way of answering my question? The report looked at the level of need in the public system and called for greater bed capacity. Mr. Healy is telling me that, in the period since the report was issued, there has actually been a decrease in the number of beds available. We all know that there was a crash. I just want to make sure I am being factually correct.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Earlier, Mr. O'Brien said that when comparing public service provision with the private sector in terms of nursing home settings and infrastructure, the quality of the buildings was not as good in the public sector.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: I will come to that. That is my point. What we had over a sustained period was, possibly, a lack of investment to build new buildings or improve the existing ones to make them fit for purpose. HIQA then comes onto the scene. Examples were given where HIQA, doing its job to which no one can object, recommended closing a number of nursing units and wards within certain care facilities. On...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: It may well have been. To give an example, I refer to St. Brigid's ward in St. Patrick's Hospital in Waterford. That was closed at the behest of HIQA, was it not?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Who made the recommendation?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Is Mr. Healy saying that HIQA had no role in that? My understanding is that HIQA made the recommendation.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Look at what I am asking. HIQA made a recommendation that the unit be closed.

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