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Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: What was the purpose of the review? This is the first time that the following detail has been relayed to this committee. I understand that Dr. Love believes it was the president of the institute who instituted the internal review. Am I correct?

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: I thought that Dr. Love said it was the president.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Was it the Chair of the governing body?

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Has the Chair of the governing body commissioned a review?

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Representatives of the institute will attend here next week. The meeting will afford us an opportunity to find out precisely why the review was commissioned. We also heard from the Secretary General of the Department that the president of the institute is not in a position to play a role in the review because he is part of the review.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: I would see that fact as problematic. I want to discuss policy. I had signalled that the HEA should be represented at all of the meetings that take place with the institutes that will attend here within the next week. Somebody from the HEA should attend our meetings, and it is standard practice.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: The intellectual property policy at the Waterford Institute of Technology was last reviewed on 23 February 2010. The review identified the authors of the report. The policy owner is the office of the head of research and innovation. That suggests to me that the management of conflicts of interest rests with the head of research and innovation or at least the person would have a very clear...

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: No. I shall stop Dr. Love there because this is what I was trying to avoid.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: I shall not be stonewalled by a person saying he or she cannot reply because a review is ongoing. I have asked questions about policy and not an ongoing review. I shall outline a point about the policy at Waterford Institute of Technology.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: The policy owner is the office of the head of research and innovation. What I have asked Dr. Love is not specific to any institute.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Does the head of research and innovation in an institute play a governance role in terms of policy oversight for intellectual property?

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: From my perspective, a distinction is to be drawn. We may have a disagreement with the departments and Dr. Love, but a choice should be made between innovation and being involved in the commercialising of intellectual property and being head of a department in an institute. I will again refer to the policy in Waterford IT. It has in place what is called a commercialisation office which...

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: I am trying to draw a distinction between researchers who have no role whatsoever in governance, management and oversight and those who do. If a person has a role in governance, management and oversight, that should be his or her role. In other words, the role of the head of research and innovation should be exclusively to protect the interests of the institute. Some of that person's time...

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Do not imagine; I am asking if it is a requirement. Does Dr. Love know if it is? If he does not know, that is fair enough.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: We will find out if that happened-----

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: I accept that I am putting a number of questions cold to Dr. Love. I was only asking questions in policy terms. I wish to move on to the financial statements of institutions and the timeliness of accounts being presented and audits being carried out. How many institutes of technology are in deficit?

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Of the six, which would be the more serious? Has the HEA carried out an analysis? Which one would trouble it most?

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: I will concentrate on those three. It is welcome news about the three that there is encouragement. I asked for examples of the ones in most difficulty. Dr. Love mentioned two, of which Waterford IT was one. What was the other?

Public Accounts Committee: HEA - Financial Statement 2015 (29 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Mr. Brownlee said there was a third one.

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