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Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: I will tell Mr. Purcell - three. Out of the four recommendations, three were directed at the Department and one at Rehab. The recommendations were almost stating everything was going to continue.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: The question Deputy Murphy is asking is why you did not arrange the meeting with Rehab. Those at Rehab asked for a meeting and the correspondence is there. It would seem as if they were stuck on a particular query concerning an audit. They raised the question of a meeting with your Department, so why did you not meet them?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Why did you not meet them? Did you write and say, "Sorry, Ms Kerins, the meeting won't happen because the scheme is-----"

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Would it not have been courteous to acknowledge it?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: It was a reasonable request from Rehab to meet with them about this. As I understand it from Deputy Murphy's question, there was no response from the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Is that the way it does business?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: You just ignored them.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Did you communicate that decision to Ms Kerins?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Did you explain it and then say "We can't meet"?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: What is the Deputy's point regarding the €35 million?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: I think it is Ms Kerins's phone that is causing interference.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: We are back in public session. The broadcasting unit has complained that there was huge interference in the first half of the meeting, so please keep mobile phones away from microphones. I call on Deputy O'Donnell.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: All the Deputy is asking is whether a copy of the accounts can be made available.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: I suggest we now take a break because the witnesses have been here since 10.30 a.m. and a number of others wish to ask questions. In the meantime, the secretariat will copy the report on salaries.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: I ask the Deputy to move on.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: I have to ask Deputy McDonald to finish on this question because we have to bring in Deputy Áine Collins.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: I call Deputy Áine Collins.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: My understanding is that a phone call was made to the legal adviser to the House, a certain conversation was had and legal advice or commentary was passed on by the person in question to the members of the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Ms Kerins can qualify that for the Deputy.

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