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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Culhane's letter makes seven points relating to handcuffs, Console, bank accounts, evidence of fraud and other issues. He put these matters in a letter in response to the draft interim audit report. I want Mr. Culhane to produce evidence about how he came to write that letter. It is a serious letter and we need to see how he came to write it and what evidence or information he had to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will come-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is hearsay. I have pointed out how dangerous it is to send letters that are substantially based on hearsay. The audit report is based on facts and evidence and the contrary letter - we are now fairly well satisfied - is based on hearsay. Mr. Culhane might be able to back it up. I am not saying he will not but we need to be able to get to the bottom of it. What is important about this...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Howard elaborate? What does he mean by his concerns? We are formally requesting a copy of that letter from whoever is responsible, and the reply.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Howard has the floor on this one.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: From 1 May.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Did Mr. Howard receive a response to that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Who would have a copy of that? Is Mr. Nugent able to source those letters and the Commissioner's response?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: I have a difficulty as Chairman talking to somebody offline because it is unfair to the other members. Mr. Nugent might write to us expressing his concerns-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: -----rather than having an unminuted private conversation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: I ask Mr. Nugent to give a considered response.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is the response to Mr. Howard's letter.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: I have harped on this letter a number of times in the course of the meeting. I thank Mr. Howard. I have expressed grave concerns about this type of a letter with so much hearsay in it. I am asking for evidence to back it up or it will have to be withdrawn. It is a serious issue if it has to be withdrawn after it has been put out there during this process. Mr. Howard has indicated he came...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes, in one second. Is it Mr. Nugent who will ensure we get this reply?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes. Mr. Nugent has to go back to his office.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is fine. Mr. Nugent might have to talk to Mr. Ruane. I do not know how the systems work. We will have the reply in the next number of days.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: It will certainly be quickly.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Today is Wednesday. We will have it before the end of the week.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: At this stage, I have to call Deputy Peter Burke. He has not been given-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: We are going to get that.

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