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Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Could Mr. O'Brien respond to the allegation of a cover-up?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: I was clarifying two issues - one, that charges were made, not by me but by members who were on the previous Committee of Public Accounts - and they were made in the Dáil - that there was a cover-up, and, two, that the witness misled the committee. If the Chairman does not want to deal with that, that is fine. I will move on to the other issues.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: I am clear as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: It was said here. Serving members of this committee alleged that there was a cover-up and Mr. O'Brien is obviously saying he does not believe there was a cover-up and we can just move on from that.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: If Mr. O'Brien wants to take the opportunity then to answer the question-----

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Mr. O'Brien had the floor.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: So Mr. O'Brien will not answer the question.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Mr. O'Brien will not answer that question.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: I will move on the first topic that I wanted to deal with, which is the liaison with An Garda Síochána and the issue Mr. O'Brien addressed in his opening statement, which was the centre of controversy in terms of what he said when he was before the committee in the past. I sent a one-minute video clip to the secretariat where a question was put by Deputy Deasy, a former member of...

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: We can see in that clip that Mr. Tony O'Brien was asked a straightforward question as to why the report was not published-----

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: A straightforward question was asked of Mr. O'Brien as to why the report was not published. He said the only reason why the report was not published was because he had been given advice or instructions from An Garda Síochána not to publish the report. In his evidence here today, Mr. O'Brien said that advice was given in April 2015. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Why did Mr. O'Brien not say that when he was asked that question by Deputy Deasy last year?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: When did the HSE receive the Devine report?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: So a decision was taken not to publish the report in 2012, in 2013, in 2014 and up to April 2015 before the HSE got any opinion from An Garda Síochána. Why was that decision taken? Who made the decision not to publish the report-----

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: -----up to the point when the HSE did get confirmation from An Garda Síochána? Who made the decision not to publish the report?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Mr. O'Brien is talking about standard procedures.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Yes. What Mr. Tony O'Brien is telling me here today is that there were standard procedures and processes in place in the HSE that while a live investigation was ongoing, it would not publish reports of that nature. In other words, what Mr. O'Brien is telling me is that it was the HSE which made the decision up to April 2015 not to publish the report. It was not because of any advice from...

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: With respect, a decision was only taken in February 2015 to trigger a process in which the reports would be published. Mr. O'Brien says that in the middle of 2012 his Department had received the report. From the middle of 2012 up to February 2015, no action was taken to publish the report. What I am hearing from Mr. O'Brien is that the reason for that was because he was adhering to...

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Prior to March 2015, had Mr. O'Brien sought an opinion from An Garda Síochána on whether the HSE could publish the report?

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