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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Kelly has left those comments on the record for the last three months.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Culhane seems reasonably satisfied that the remark was made and Mr. Kelly is not sure it was made. The reason this remark is serious-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is hearsay but I am teasing out the issue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will not be accused of not being fair. I will tease out matters equally with everybody. Some people may not like my line of questioning but everybody's evidence will be----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: I do not want the Deputy to like my line of questioning. I am the Chairman and I will proceed. Mr. Kelly is not sure if that remark was made.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: The essence of the Console case was that there was personal gain in that organisation. Mr. Kelly stated a moment ago that there was no personal gain. This is why I am homing in on the Console issue. I do not know if Mr. Kelly made a comparison with Console but if he did, that can only have meant in the eyes of the public that there was personal gain by someone. He is now saying he has no...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Which comments?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: The comments about Console? Mr. Kelly just said he never made those comments.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: If Mr. Kelly cannot recollect making the comments, how can he say they are taken out of context? That is a logical question given what he has just said.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is fine. Maybe we will ask Mr. Culhane about these serious allegations because there was lots of personal gain in the Console case. If it is being suggested that what happened in Console happened in Templemore. Mr. Kelly is happy it did not happen and there was no gain. I ask Mr. Culhane if he can recall who gave him the information he put in his letter. In the same letter, at...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Culhane said Mr. Kelly told Superintendent McCabe there was evidence of fraud, not that he looked for fraud. Mr. Kelly is quoted in the letter as saying there was evidence of fraud. I just want to know if this is authentic. I know it is hearsay as Mr. Culhane did not hear it himself. We cannot have these letters from a most senior Garda official hanging out there without being tested...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Did Mr. Kelly have any evidence of fraud?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: -----closing the door to fraud.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is Mr. Culhane in a position to contact the persons who gave him the information he included in his letter and check their recollection? This is third party information which he included in the letter because it was relayed to him. It is hearsay and putting hearsay in letters such as this poses a serious risk. Mr. Kelly indicated that most of the allegations Mr. Culhane has made about him...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Culhane's letter makes seven points relating to handcuffs, Console, bank accounts, evidence of fraud and other issues. He put these matters in a letter in response to the draft interim audit report. I want Mr. Culhane to produce evidence about how he came to write that letter. It is a serious letter and we need to see how he came to write it and what evidence or information he had to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will come-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is hearsay. I have pointed out how dangerous it is to send letters that are substantially based on hearsay. The audit report is based on facts and evidence and the contrary letter - we are now fairly well satisfied - is based on hearsay. Mr. Culhane might be able to back it up. I am not saying he will not but we need to be able to get to the bottom of it. What is important about this...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Howard elaborate? What does he mean by his concerns? We are formally requesting a copy of that letter from whoever is responsible, and the reply.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Howard has the floor on this one.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Seán Fleming: From 1 May.