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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Would the Comptroller and Auditor General have any role in respect of oversight or auditing here? If a payment was made from any of these spin-off companies to an institute, would that be included in its annual accounts? Has the Comptroller and Auditor General looked at this issue in general terms?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: That is a product of having no Sinn Féin Deputies in the Chamber; the whole thing collapses.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: My question is for Mr. Mannion because-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: I would prefer to put them to Mr. Mannion. Mr. Ó Foghlú has said it might be difficult for him to answer some of the questions himself. My first question is in regard to policy on intellectual property. Mr. Ó Foghlú may be able to answer this himself. Research funding agencies such as EU funding, Enterprise Ireland, Science Foundation and so on that publicly fund...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: I accept that it is international practice. I can accept the logic because one wants to encourage innovation, research, etc. The Secretary General has said that there is a national guideline, namely, the national protocol, and that each of the institutes would have their own guidelines. Who in the institutes would, in the first instance, draw up the guidelines and, in the second instance,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: In terms of the chain of command, who follows the governing body and the president? Would a dean or head of research play a role?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Is that not part of the problem? Various institutes have different policies and procedures. When I researched this matter I discovered big variances in guidelines between institutes in terms of their robustness.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: I accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Yes. I do not for one second allege that there has been wrongdoing by anybody. I am concerned about processes, policies and procedures. I have heard what Mr. Ó Foghlú said and I get the issue of encouraging researchers to start up companies and commercialise some of the work. Is a distinction drawn between researchers who have no input into governance, management and oversight...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: I want to ask the Secretary General a specific question. Does he see a difference between a researcher who plays no role or responsibility in respect of management, oversight or governance in an institution and somebody who does do so? For example, someone who either takes up a directorship or shareholder role in a company that is co-located in a public institute. Does the Secretary...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Why?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: If the person is the head of research, would he or she play a role in how grants and research grants are spent or play an oversight role in that context?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: I shall move on to asking Mr. Mannion questions. Is he familiar with a company called FeedHenry?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Does Mr. Mannion know much the company was sold for?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: It was sold for €64 million. Does Mr. Mannion know how much the Waterford Institute of Technology received?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Does Mr. Mannion know how much the institute received?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Perhaps the Comptroller and Auditor General can confirm the following as the figure is mentioned in the institute's 2010 accounts. It got €1.3 million out of the €64 million paid for the company. Does Mr. Mannion think that was a significant return for the institute in light of the fact that the company was co-located on its campus?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Who made those arrangements?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: Who would make the arrangement in terms of shareholding?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

David Cullinane: The institute was a very minor shareholder.

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