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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Now the office has somebody else.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: When they withdrew, they had not been paid for any work they had not done. The office had not paid for a contract in advance before they withdrew or anything like that. It was a nice clean-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I thank Mr. Moloney. I now come to the Office of the Chief State Solicitor. On the financial position, some €9.6 million is due in and receipts are €397,000. As I read it there is an outstanding €9.6 million in costs due to the office. I ask Ms Browne to elaborate on this €9.6 million that is sitting there. When does that balance out?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: What is quite a while?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Ms Browne mentioned "where appropriate". This is where that comes in.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: The office makes the decision as to whether it is right to pursue these costs, bearing in mind it might leave family destitute.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Of the €9.6 million, €5.4 million is one case and €4.2 million is everything else. How many cases does the €4.2 million account for? Give us a ballpark figure.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: We have 204 cases representing less than half of the amount. On writing off debt, at any point does the Office of the Chief State Solicitor just draw a line through it and give up?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Does the Office of the Chief State Solicitor subcontract this cost recovery unit out to somebody else or is it within the office?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: What does it cost per year to run the cost recovery unit? I am trying to get at whether it is worthwhile at all if the Office of the Chief State Solicitor is only getting in €397,000 so how much is it costing to run that unit? I am not suggesting we just let everybody off but I am just wondering about that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Could we get it? There is no urgency.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: In terms of the bodies which are using external drafting people, I assume this relates to the locum of the situation. In terms of costs, when somebody external is being brought in to draft legislation when there is a capacity issue, does it cost more in net terms to bring in an external person or is it cheaper to have it done in-house, if the staff was there theoretically? Is there an added...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: So the Office of the Attorney General is contracting out to him?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Is his pay his pay or are there pension benefits if he is on a long term contract?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I will turn to Mr. Donoghue and the victims of crime. He mentioned the 1,800 requests for reasons not to prosecute. I am assuming that the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions decides not to prosecute and people phone up or send in a letter asking why it did not prosecute. Maybe I picked it up wrong. Was it that 40% of the cases in that 1,800 are sexual offences cases? Did I...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Did Mr. Donoghue say that in those cases the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions often reverses or is it in all cases?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Out of 1,800, about 40% are sexual offences but are reversals across the board in terms of case type?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I thank Mr. Donoghue, I had just misinterpreted that. Somebody mentioned sharing of IT systems across the groups that are here today. Are we compliant with general data protection regulations, GDPR?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Yes.

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