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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: The money amounted to €400,000, three have been regularised and one is in process. Is there a revised procedural manual in place?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: In relation to homeless funding, how much money was involved here? Issues were identified here also.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is right. I am just seeking a reply. I am reading it and I do not want to take up my time. On homelessness funding, an internal audit of the management of homelessness during 2017 noted a number of areas regarding control of oversight, which is this committee's function. What has been done in relation to that and how much public funding was involved? Have the protocols been reviewed...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: What is the position regarding those actions?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Significantly. What has not been acted on? That might be easier.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Great. Well done. I thank Mr. John McCarthy. Staying on those accounts, I will move back to look at the urban development fund. In fact, I will leave that for a moment and come back to it if I have the time. I might come back in the second round. I want to go to the housing assistance payment, or HAP, and all of the money, including HAP, that is going to sustain an unsustainable private...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is good. Do those 71,858 households exclude HAP?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Just listen to my question because I want it clear. HAP has grown and involves a huge figure to which I will come in a moment. I think 43,000 households are on HAP. Are they excluded from the waiting list figure?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Good.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I thank Mr. John McCarthy. We have the number given there of 71,858 and a further figure of 43,000 households on HAP. As such, we are at over 100,000. They are not being counted on the waiting list.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is my interpretation too. A terrible law was brought in under the previous Government to the effect that HAP was the only game in town and that one was considered adequately housed under it. We have been there before. Mr. John McCarthy does not have to disagree with me but that was the legislation brought in. HAP is the only game in town. We asked repeatedly what would happen when...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: They are put on a limbo list.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: How many are on the transfer list?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I understand there is total confusion about this among people but perhaps I am wrong. Initially, officials were absolutely crystal clear with me in my previous life. They said it was absolutely right that they were off the waiting list. Since then, I have been told they were all included in the figures. Today, the Department is telling us "No". That is great. That is clear. Mr. John...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Is that not shocking?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Lovely. I thank John Mr. McCarthy. How much is going to HAP? According to the Comptroller and Auditor General's report, €153 million went to HAP in 2017. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: On HAP alone.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: On the rental accommodation scheme alone, it was €143 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I am racing through the chapter. It sets out the supports which come to a total of €636 million and which is going straight into the private market. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Connolly: The rental accommodation scheme. It is €636 million in total under rental accommodation supports.

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