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Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: That is fine, but I want to be clear – the information that we have been given is Ms Kerins’s salary, which was in the public domain before she attended this meeting. I am not making an issue of this but she stated that she had waived her right to privacy in that regard. Deputy McDonald asked a question about the €6,000 figure and Deputy Ross has now asked Ms Kerins...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Ms Kerins has answered that she has waived all of her bonuses and that she had not approached Rehab to buy out bonuses or anything like that. I am just clarifying what was said earlier. That much is on the public record.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Whether Ms Kerins wants to talk about her 2009 bonus or whatever, she might provide that information if she does not know it today.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: For clarification, in answer to Deputy Harris she said that she would publish the salaries of the other executives this year, for this year. I want her to clarify the matter because in another answer I thought that was not the case.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: It is the case.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Will Rehab publish it?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Will Rehab publish the 2014 figures?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: I am trying to be helpful and clarify the matter. The 2014 figures will hopefully be made available and they are working on it.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: I would never challenge Mr. O'Brien on that.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: The Department is implementing the three recommendations. The first recommendation says that an agreement shall be put in place. Part of what the first recommendation states is that there should be conditions to end the funding. That is what it says here. The Department did not implement that because it did not write back to Rehab. The second recommendation relates to monitoring and...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Hold on a second. Did the Department fulfil all of the first recommendation? "Yes" or "No" will do.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: The Deputy can continue.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: For clarification and to assist Deputy Simon Harris, Mr. Purcell keeps mentioning recommendations. How many came from the audit?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: How many were directed at the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: I will tell Mr. Purcell - three. Out of the four recommendations, three were directed at the Department and one at Rehab. The recommendations were almost stating everything was going to continue.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: The question Deputy Murphy is asking is why you did not arrange the meeting with Rehab. Those at Rehab asked for a meeting and the correspondence is there. It would seem as if they were stuck on a particular query concerning an audit. They raised the question of a meeting with your Department, so why did you not meet them?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Why did you not meet them? Did you write and say, "Sorry, Ms Kerins, the meeting won't happen because the scheme is-----"

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Would it not have been courteous to acknowledge it?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: It was a reasonable request from Rehab to meet with them about this. As I understand it from Deputy Murphy's question, there was no response from the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Is that the way it does business?

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