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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: We were told last week that Rehab had a figure in its account for €700,000 and that it had to do with advocacy. It could be for PR or for lobbying. I am trying to establish if the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform would comment as to whether it was lobbied and, if so, by whom and when, and likewise, in respect of the Department of Justice and Equality if, Mr. Purcell or his...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: Who attended that meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: That was probably a standard meeting between the organisations-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: I mean separate from that, in terms of professional lobbyists or lobby groups, was the Department lobbied other than-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: Perhaps the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform would check it out and come back to the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: So that was the only meeting that the Department of Justice and Equality had.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: Mr. Purcell might let us know within the next couple of weeks.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: Perhaps he would check it for us to be absolutely clear and let us have a written note on it. In relation to Mr. Purcell's comments on the penalty points system, I believe it is a very serious issue, and one that has been highlighted not only by the Comptroller and Auditor General but by many others. As the witness will be aware Sergeant McCabe appeared before the committee in private...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: All the more reason the Department should have a system in place to make sure they get them.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: Let us not ignore that. The Department has a job to do. The couriers are doing it, the Department should be able to do it and no amount of discussion around this issue will convince me that an efficient system in place; there is not.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: Mr. Purcell could not have said a truer word. Let it happen as soon as possible. Does Mr. McCarthy wish to add anything.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: They are relevant in the context of the recommendations that we make arising from this discussion. I now call Deputy Deasy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: Who takes the decision about the money the Department receives, in terms of the Department of Finance giving it funding for the year and the Accounting Officer deciding that because the funding has been cut by 30%, he will have to cut somewhere else?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: Was there no place Mr. Purcell could have got money-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: -----to move on the development of the building? What did the Department of Finance say to the Department of Justice and Equality about it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: What did the Department think of the Department of Justice and Equality writing off €4 million, €3 million or whatever?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: Was the Department of Finance not concerned that another Department was about to write off €3 million? Did that not concern the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: Does Mr. Gallagher's Department hold the purse?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: The Department of Justice and Equality is about to get rid of a €3 million project but his Department is not aware of it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 9 - State Pathology Building Project
(13 Mar 2014)

John McGuinness: Did Mr. Purcell have to notify the Department of Finance that he was going to do this?

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