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Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Did Ms Kerins speak to Mr. Flannery and ask him to come here?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Did Ms Kerins speak to Mr. Flannery and ask him to come?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: What was his view of that? Did he wish to come?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: My difficulty with all that has happened today is this particular exchange about this piece of information has gone around and around. That was the same with other pieces of information we tried to get from Ms Kerins. I will finish on this point because obviously we will not agree on it. The Committee of Public Accounts has a job to do. I told Ms Kerins that the legal end of it, the...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: The witnesses were very well prepared. I compliment them on coming in and for being here since 10.30 a.m. It is not an easy process. We could have made it much easier had it been approached differently. I thank the witnesses for being here and for giving the information. We are much clearer now on the salaries and everything else, and the structure. We may have other queries, which we...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: These figures are above and beyond the €82 million figure. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: How much money generally would Rehab Group receive from the State in total? How much more than €82 million?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: So there is €42 million and then the other moneys. How much is the Rehab Care money?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: What are the other two amounts?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: That €42 million to the NLN is inclusive of-----

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: The group also gets €3 million from the Department of Justice and Equality.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: How much comes from the HSE?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: I wanted to clarify a number of points that were made. When I was looking at the figures going from Departments and agencies to Rehab, I considered that they were going directly to services. I was not aware until today of the detail of the service level agreements. That service level agreement in respect of Ms Kerins's operation is over 90%. Therefore, it comes to the question of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Did Ms Kerins extend the invitation to Mr. Flannery and to the remuneration committee? Or did she decide that they were not to be asked and that this was what they were going to do?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Were they asked? Did they say "No"?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: I understand that, but I want to be clear. The invitation was extended, and I want to know were they asked or who made the decision that they would not come. Ms Kerins expressed the view that the team here would cover all aspects of the inquiries that we wish to make. The Committee on Public Accounts had, however, decided earlier that the remuneration committee and Mr. Flannery should...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: We spoke about social welfare earlier. What other moneys does Rehab get from the Department of Social Protection? Is there other funding from that source.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: What is involved in that?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: Can the witnesses tell us about the money that comes from SOLAS? Does that go directly to supporting income?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: Discussion (27 Feb 2014)

John McGuinness: In terms of payment to individuals, how much do they get per hour?

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