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Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: What I find most distressing as Chairman of the Committee of Public Accounts, and people will agree with me on this, is there is a figure of €2 billion that we now know, at the end of 2016, that is ultimately due. That includes the legal aspect. So there is €2 billion due to be paid. Most of it is for people who have suffered medical negligence cases. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: The majority or the biggest element is clinical indemnity.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Maybe they could be handled through the Department rather than out of the HSE's Vote to provide health care but that is a different issue.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: In essence, €2 billion must be paid out to outstanding known claims. The best actuarial advice has indicated that will be the figure. Last year only €228 million, or 10%, was paid out. Without any new claims, we are saying that the cases on hand, at the rate we are paying them, and these people have already suffered a catastrophic incident, it will take ten years before the...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: No.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is only an average. It could take longer; it could be shorter. We have all read about children aged six, seven, eight or nine years and their parents suing, etc. Often there is a settlement without an admission of liability.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes. One does not have to admit liability to make the payment.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I know it requires court approval.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I ask the director general to finish on that matter.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: The HSE would probably make interim payments, I would hope.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Less weight.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is helpful information. That is genuine.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is approximately a third of that figure, from our previous experience.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Has Deputy Murphy finished?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I call Deputy Cassells.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I was going to ask the question later. Can we suspend for five or ten minutes?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I propose that we suspend for ten minutes as people may need a break. There is no need to break for lunch. We will not sit long after the break. Is a 15 minute break reasonable?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I propose that we suspend until 2 o'clock. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: The next speaker is Deputy Shane Cassells.

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