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Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: How long will that staff payroll system take?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is behind the financial control one, and the patient one is a step ahead already.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: So the patient one is first, then financial control, then the rest are appearing.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I know the PPARS might have been before Mr. O'Brien's time-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: We are not trying to land it on Mr. O'Brien. One of the difficulties was not just the system, but the complexities of the existing payment systems on the ground. I recall hearing that in one hospital, there were 27 different overtime rates, dependent on whether it was a bank holiday before Christmas or after Christmas, a Good Friday, an hour after-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Pardon?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: On note 25 on page 172, tell me about the tax problem the HSE had and how much was involved.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Could Ms Dolan give an indication of the scale of the figures we are talking about? That is interesting, but I have no idea about the scale.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: This is 2016 we are talking about, now.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: What affected it? The payroll?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is less than 1%. Everybody is conscious of public bodies being tax compliant.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: To go back to the topic that was touched on earlier on page 162 - other income - the witnesses are familiar with this and have commented on it already. The rebate from the pharmacy companies this year was €75.6 million compared to €54 million the previous year, but the outstanding balance mentioned on another page is €50.6 million. A very high proportion was not paid...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Will the witnesses send the committee a note on when the €75 million was actually received?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: It was an agreement during the course of the year. The witnesses will give us a note on when it was done.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: The witnesses can give us a note because a large portion of it was not paid during the course of the year. Also in the context of page 170, will the witnesses explain the statutory redundancy claim? Who was made redundant? To whom does the HSE make redundancy payments? The amount involved is €2.225 million. If the witnesses do not have the answer with them, they can send us a...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I did not know the HSE was in that business. It is on page 170, note 17. I wish to look at page 167. The topic of long-term residential care arose. A total cost of €990 million mentioned. The witnesses will see that includes the private nursing home subventions. I see a note somewhere else that the HSE has directly employed home helps. Are those people employed by the HSE or by...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: If I look on page 9, I see a figure of 107,000 employees. Are home helps included in that figure?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I see somewhere else in the report that there are approximately 3,000 home helps.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Where is that note?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is exactly my point. It indicates that total HSE employees number 67,754, and then there are 39,000 section 38 employees. HSE and section 38 employees together number 107,085. Directly employed home helps are put at the bottom as if they are not HSE employees. I recently met a group of HSE home helps and they told me that they feel like second-class citizens because of the way they...

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