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Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: My frustration was not with Dr. Browne at all.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: I just want to make that point.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: We will certainly make it to others who come in as well. My first theme and set of questions comes back to the foundation. It is perfectly reasonable to have different opinions. It is perfectly reasonable for somebody to say there should be a complete separation in terms of governance between a university and a foundation. It is also reasonable for someone to say it should be closer and...

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: Equally, there is a dynamic or synergy between a foundation and an institute. Dr. Browne said in response to one of the questions from Teachta Connolly, which is why I wrote it down, that the university recognised funding due to the foundation in its accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: Yes, exactly. There is a synergy there.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: Where there is a synergy, we should have an opportunity to be able to evaluate whether there are proper governance structures in place and so on. In response to questions from Teachta Connolly, Dr. Browne drew a distinction because he said it was a charity.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: Dr. Browne then said he would not be entirely satisfied with public scrutiny - as in our role and that of the Comptroller and Auditor General - because it is a charity and there is already oversight of charities. Is that characterisation fair or unfair?

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: Will Dr. Browne give me his view then?

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: Dr. Browne has made that point and that is his view. I do not believe there is sufficient oversight of charities in this State. We have had a history of a large number of charities which have had to come before the Committee of Public Accounts. The HSE has had to come before the Committee of Public Accounts. There was an absolutely appalling lack of governance and controls. That is not...

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: If that is the case, I welcome it but unfortunately we have a lot of work on our desk which says something else. I appreciate it is a different sector and I appreciate there are different types of charities and different levels of governance so I accept that. I do not believe Dr. Browne's responses are unreasonable. I understand his logic-----

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: -----but I have a different view. As much as possible where there are relationships between entities that have very close synergies with institutes of technology and universities, we need to look at the governance structures between them. We have already made a request to the Comptroller and Auditor General to look at some of that. I will come to a different issue later which will be my...

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: The question was answered earlier. There are just over 2,000 staff in the institute. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: That is the number of full-time equivalents. What is the average number of hours a week that staff work? If one divides the number of staff into the full-time equivalent positions based on whatever the average number of hours is for a normal worker, what is the average number of hours worked by staff at the university?

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: I will be the judge of whether it is helpful or not.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: I am asking if Dr. Browne can give the average first and then we will explore-----

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: Dr. Browne could give me a rough estimation and furnish me with the exact figure later. Does he have a rough estimation?

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: I understand the distinction between all of those different roles but I would still like if Mr. Gill had even a rough estimation as to what the average hours for the total staff complement in the university would be.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: Would that be-----

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: What is the cost of temporary administration staff at the university for 2015?

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

David Cullinane: According to these figures which were given to me, which the witnesses may confirm or not, the costs of temporary administration staff at the university have risen from €980,346 in 2013 to €2,166,697 in 2015. Based on my calculations - although I do not have the same calculator as the Chairman - that is a 220% increase in two years. Would that be accurate information?

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