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Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: Where are we with computerisation in the existing children's hospitals in terms of it being transferred over? We are talking about a huge transfer of staff, patients and information.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: Will the transfer from paper to electronic only start when patients start to be transferred?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: Will there not then be a long period, probably nearly six months, when there will be a huge workload involved in transferring information?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: Will there be connection between the other children’s units around the country as regards computerisation? If I am transferring a child from CUH in Cork to the new hospital, will the records in Cork be computerised and capable of being transferred over?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: Absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: I have come across a scenario in a hospital where records were computerised but a section of the hospital refused to computerise. As a result, there were two files, one manual and one computerised, which caused----

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: Okay. Thank you.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: Where are we with regard to that document? Have we got a formal reply?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: Okay, my apologies.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: Were people from the horse racing industry to come back before us? One of them could come before us in the morning. Were they to come back before us or are we waiting for further information from them? On the morning they came before us, they announced that one of the people-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: Were they to come back before us?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: Is it that they will not be available?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: It is something we might-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: The health budget is about €1.5 billion over budget but one issue that arises is the fact that the HSE is paying out well over €6 billion to about 2,500 different organisations. I know an organisation previously appeared before the committee that subsequently ended up in the High Court but is it worth going back and looking at the checks and balances the HSE has in place...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: I am not sure what it comes under because we do not go into all of those accounts because we do not have the right to.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: It is impossible to do-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: If you take the accountancy body, or the solicitors' body, we have the Legal Services Regulatory Authority or the Law Society. There are more than 2,500 legal practices but they have the right to go in and conduct an audit of a legal practice. We do not have the same right to go into any of those organisations in real terms to conduct an audit.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: The Law Society has a specialist team and will audit a practice at least once every five or six years. Is Mr. McCarthy satisfied that the HSE has a sufficient audit team that go in and conduct an audit, for example, to take 100 different organisations in any one year?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: Is it not time that we looked at this area? It is a lot of money - more than €6 billion. In fairness to these organisations, many of them are doing far more than what they are required to do and I have said this-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2023)

Colm Burke: Absolutely.

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