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Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Before Dr. Cohen does so, I cannot buy what Professor Norton has said. It is the equivalent of the Health Service Executive telling the committee that it had not closed a health centre on Mountjoy Square but moved it to Grangegorman. It is meaningless to tell people in Mountjoy Square that the facility has not been closed. The centre that was on the square no longer exists and has moved...

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: It has been stated that steps were taken to ensure the service to students would not be affected as the result of the Swets contract. We find, however, that this happens within a very short period. Is Dr. O'Connor about to tell me that was a total coincidence?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Can Dr. O'Connor see the connection?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I have asked Dr. O'Connor about the figures. There are still 250-----

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Since 2014, students on Mountjoy Square, including the 250 students in this academic year and the 200 students in the previous academic year, have had no library on site.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: The contract that went wrong was for online journals. Did that contract exclude books?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: How much was spent on old-fashioned library books in each of the past three years? If Dr. Cohen does not have the figures, perhaps he will send them to me.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: On books.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is separate from the contract of approximately €700,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Will Dr. Cohen send us a breakdown of that figure? The impression may have been given that the original contract had implications for all library services. It was for the online journals only. While the witnesses are fully aware of that, it gets lost in translation.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: How concerned was Professor Norton about the "Prime Time Investigates" programme?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Professor Norton believes the "Prime Time" programme had a serious impact on the reputation of the institute.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I believe it was broadcast on a Thursday night and at 15.51 on the following day, Friday, Professor Norton issued an email to all staff.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: How regularly does he issue emails to all staff?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will read from the email issued as a result of the "Prime Time" programme, which can be circulated. It states that all issues identified and the steps taken subsequently were included in the information provided by DIT to the Committee of Public Accounts. They specifically did not say that. The email gave the impression that all documents - people knew about the Ernst & Young...

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: The email stated that DIT had always maintained a balanced budget and is required to do so. The collapse of Swets UK, it continued, was unavoidable but the loss was very significant. In the short term, it continued, the loss was absorbed by DIT's financial reserves and savings were made through postponement of some senior appointments and some areas of capital expenditure. It added that...

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: The governing body must not have been happy that the committee was in possession of the Ernst & Young report even after-----

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Will Professor Norton explain what happened?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Okay. I have one final issue to ask the witness about. That is why I asked Mr. Love to give us an understanding of the presidents of the various third level institutions and whether their employment was full time or whatever. Obviously, at the salary being paid, we would expect full-time service and not something else. Professor Norton might talk to us about something that is public...

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