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Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: A phone is ringing at one side of the room, near one of the microphones.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy is on the button.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: He will do so by next Wednesday. That is in one week's time. Is it possible to do this within a week? Our committee will be issuing a report in the coming weeks. We will start to consider the drafting of our report next week, the Dáil recess is coming up soon and we have a report to do on the Garda Síochána, so we want to complete this work fairly promptly. Deputy...

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I thank Deputy Aylward.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Deputy Catherine Murphy is next. All the votes to be taken in the Dáil today will be walk through votes because certain Ministers of State have not been reallocated their seats in the Chamber yet so the electronic system cannot be used. In that context, we will try to finish in the next few minutes because a number of votes are due to be called soon. It would be great if we could...

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Higher Education Authority, HEA, wants to come in on that topic.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: The HEA recoups from the institutions rather than from the individuals. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is it then left to the institutions and the individuals to sort it out?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will suspend until 2.30 p.m. because the Dáil is voting. Actually, I am sorry, Mr. Farrell is indicating.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is Mr. Farrell concerned that something might have been said?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: The essence of today was to tease out matters. At the previous meeting, the phrase used was essentially "We bought it for nothing". No one present got that. That was the phrase that people believed could not be left to lie without the relevant details being teased out. We have done a bit of that today. I am being upfront. It was that phrase that prompted some of our questions. We...

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I apologise to our witnesses for the late start this afternoon. The morning session took quite a bit of time, and then the voting session in the Dáil took much longer than expected. We will proceed with this afternoon's business. We will continue with our follow-up on the third level education sector. For this session, we are joined by Professor Brian Norton, Dr. Noel O'Connor, Mr....

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I ask Professor Norton to make a brief opening statement. This is for Dublin Institute of Technology, DIT, so I ask him to distinguish between the two organisations here today.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I want to confirm that we received it and the committee considered it this morning. If there is any confusion, that is regrettable, but we have the report.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I thank Dr Murphy. The first speaker for this session is Deputy Catherine Murphy. She will be followed by Deputies Alan Kelly, Marc MacSharry, David Cullinane, and Mary Lou McDonald. The first speaker has 20 minutes, the second speaker has 15 minutes and everyone else has ten minutes. There will be a second chance to come in. It is the normal procedure.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: When did the committee write the letter?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will check with the former committee. It might not have transferred to this committee since the election.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will move to Deputy MacSharry. Does Dr. Love wish to comment first?

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