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Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon: Financial Statements 2015 (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Is it possible - perhaps the Department official can answer this - to build schools on that site with the current zoning?

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon: Financial Statements 2015 (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Why? Is it that Mr. Gleeson does not know if it is the correct zoning or not?

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon: Financial Statements 2015 (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: It would require rezoning. Mr. Gleeson does know then.

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon: Financial Statements 2015 (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I find that answer almost unbelievable. It is not about a bidding war. One puts something on the open market and there are potential bidders and there is what is called competitive tension in order to get the best possible return for an organisation. That is the purpose, it is not to create a bidding war or to encourage one but it is done to get the best possible return. The reason I asked...

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon: Financial Statements 2015 (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: It is a great advertisement for the organisation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I welcome the Garda Commissioner and her team. Will she explain her involvement with the Garda College historically and the different supervisory roles she played? Will she give us that information first because it would be useful for us to have it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Did the Commissioner have any role in the area of human resources? Did she have an oversight role in the Garda College?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Did that involve an oversight role in the Garda College?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: It did.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: The Commissioner has obviously read the internal audit report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: The Commissioner used the word "unacceptable". On page 3 of the executive summary it is stated the GIAS, the Garda internal audit section, "can provide no assurance that the internal management control systems in place to manage the finances at the Garda College are adequate". It also states there was "No assurance that the financial controls at the Garda College are compliant with Public...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I will stick with the Commissioner first to get her view.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: If I need their assistance, I will ask for it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I have read the report several times. Would it be fair to say there was a litany of failures, that there were sloppy practices, maladministration and mistakes made across the board? Would that be a fair assessment?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I am just trying to establish whether we can get agreement before I proceed. When I say that there were failures, the Commissioner accepts that. I used the words "sloppy practices". If the Commissioner wants to use different words she can do so but my view is that there were sloppy practices, maladministration and completely unacceptable financial controls in place. Would that be a fair...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I would prefer if the Commissioner answered the question that was put. I did not ask about records that we are not aware of or that we have not seen. I am asking the Commissioner to comment on records that the internal audit team did have. On the basis of the records that they did have, they published their report. I put it to the Commissioner that the report highlights a litany of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: We will get to that later. I am interested in the relationship between the corporate body that is An Garda Síochána and good practice. An awful lot has been said - as I am sure the Commissioner is well aware - in recent times about the culture in An Garda Síochána. There is a perception, with which the Commissioner may not agree, that when there is wrongdoing, failures...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: We will put that to the test now by determining whether issues were ignored and whether the work of people who wanted to bring these issues to the attention of the appropriate individuals was frustrated. I want to put that to the test and examine that because before one can reform any organisation, there must be an acceptance that there was serious wrongdoing and that the culture was not...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: It was not Mr. Kelly who was responsible. I asked why the report was incomplete and Mr. Kelly has said that the expertise was not there to do it. Who carried out the audit? Who was the author of that report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Can this committee be furnished with a copy of that report?

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