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Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: Could Mr. Kerr advise us if we went into private session?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: At the Deputy's request, we will-----

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: I asked about the possibility of going into private session in order to facilitate Deputy Ross and Mr. Kerr. I fully understand why the Deputy or other members of the committee might want the information he is seeking. In fairness, however, the witnesses should at least be given the opportunity to consult their legal adviser.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: We can continue with our deliberations while someone from Rehab goes out and consults the legal adviser.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: It would be of assistance to the committee if, in private session and in a general way, Mr. Kerr might address the question posed by Deputy Ross. I ask our guests to check the position. We will continue with our deliberations while they are doing so.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: Private session is not recorded, in written or any other form. A question has arisen and I am asking that it be addressed in a fair way. I am of the view that private session would offer such a way. Perhaps someone on the Rehab side will check the position and we will proceed with our deliberations in the meantime. I ask those who have mobile phones in their possession to check whether...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: Before the Deputy does so, will people please check their mobile phones? I ask that they be removed from the desks in order that the interference with the sound might cease.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: I wish to advise Deputy Ross that the matter to which he is referring came to our attention via correspondence we received. We referred it to the Garda.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: I wish to clarify this. It is never a question of not having room to accommodate witnesses, Mr. Governey. We will always find space for you. You can always be assured of that. We contacted Rehab and we asked representatives to attend. At the meeting it was perfectly clear whom they wanted to attend and how the witness list should be made up. There is no doubt in our minds that the...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: We are now in public session and I call Deputy Ross.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: Could we have a breakdown of the amount?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: The witnesses have requested a break. We will take half an hour – Irish time.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: I know he does not have it to hand but Mr. Poole might just give the committee the general headings on the invoice for each of those years, in order that members get a sense of what work was being undertaken in the context of that consultancy for that year.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: Yes. For how many years has Mr. Poole been there?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: As best he can for the years he was there, which include 2007 and onwards.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: What?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: In respect of 2011, I refer to note 26 in the accounts. It states here that Frank Flannery is a director of Laragh Consulting.

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