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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: That person obviously then made the decision not to forward it on.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: We know he or she did not send it on. Obviously, there was a reason it was not sent on.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: We will move on. What I am trying to get to is why it took so long from 2006 to 2016 to reach some conclusion on this matter. We are still at 2008. We know a report was done that was not sent to the GIAS. In a note to the Commissioner on 25 April 2008 - this is still page 12 of the internal audit - the then chief administrative officer advised that the audit committee be advised at its...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Who was the chief administrative officer in 2008? Is that person in the room?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: There are an awful lot of people not in the room who should be here.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: That is part of the problem, namely, that it took us so long to get here. Maybe if the organisation had been swifter, we would have been able to put questions to the people who were in charge. In any event, it was not done. Again, there were issues that were to be taken to the audit committee that were not. The Commissioner at the time would have been briefed that not to do so would...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Again, it was not done. Was any pressure exerted on any of these individuals not to forward any of these reports or communications either to the audit committee or the GIAS?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Then the chief administrative officer also advised that the Comptroller and Auditor General be advised. Was his office informed at that time?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: We are still in 2008. Not only was the GIAS not informed but the Garda internal audit, the committee and the Comptroller and Auditor General were not informed. I am just trying to following a pattern as to whether people were doing their job.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Was that done?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Is that acceptable?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: When we conclude, will we find out if any of these people were held to account? Accountability is something that seems to be lacking as well. The report has 12 specific recommendations from the financial directorate but only two were implemented. Of the six points agreed in correspondence between the Commissioner and the chief administrative officer, none of them was implemented. Given...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Will Mr. Joseph Nugent turn to page 14 of the internal audit report and read the second paragraph? That does not seem to join with the answer he gave. Will he please read it for me, starting from the word “however”?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Just read it for me first.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Now that is the point. Was there a breakdown in the chain of command if that is the case? Is it reasonable to surmise if that was the case? Was there a reluctance to accept improvements needed to be made or changes should be carried out? Did it suggest any of that to Mr. Joseph Nugent?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: It goes on. Unfortunately, for all of us it gets worse. On page 14, it states that on 2 March 2011, the GIAS reported to the Garda Commissioner on financial controls in 2010. It stated the GIAS could provide no assurance in regard to financial controls, that the GIAS sought to conduct an audit of the financial controls but was told work was being done by the finance directorate and because...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Is the finance directorate a person or an entity?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Is there a head of section?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Is the person who was the head at that time in the room?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Who is it?

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