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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: TB Eradication Programme: Discussion (1 Oct 2019)

Paul Daly: They offered a comprehensive report and Deputy Cahill has covered almost everything. I would like to take the Chairman's question a bit further and ask both groups to elaborate a small bit more on the TB forum and the target of 2030. Has the setting up of the TB forum enhanced the chances of eradication by 2030? I am getting an impression from some of what I am reading here that there is...

Seanad Committee on the Withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union: Implications for Ireland of the Withdrawal of the UK from the EU in Regard to Transport Matters (25 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: It has just happened.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Veterinary Council of Ireland Report: Discussion (24 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: I do not wish to move on from this subject. I cannot believe what I am hearing. What I have been hearing for the last ten minutes is akin to a bouncer outside a nightclub who watches a 16 year old get an ID from an 18 year old, says that is fine and tells them to go on in, it will be all right on the night. I have worked in companies as both a manager and an employee. I have never been...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Veterinary Council of Ireland Report: Discussion (24 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: The practitioner may also be bound by a contract of employment under the new circumstances, if they are working for a fourth party.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Veterinary Council of Ireland Report: Discussion (24 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: Does Ms Muldoon have confidence in the role of the VCI in policing this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Veterinary Council of Ireland Report: Discussion (24 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: The VCI is policing employees. It is not a case of it not having contact with the employer but of actually denying that the employer exists. How can the VCI have confidence in its role within the sector? The VCI is adamantly arguing that the fourth party does not exist in this scenario and that it is a three-way street. How can the VCI have confidence in its role in evaluating or policing...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Veterinary Council of Ireland Report: Discussion (24 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: Ms Muldoon said that the VCI will regulate if practices are not fulfilling their duties. It is well documented, without mentioning specifics, that services have been withdrawn because of corporate ownership. Has the VCI imposed any sanctions on practices or on the relevant individuals who are on the council's register in response to that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Veterinary Council of Ireland Report: Discussion (24 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: These issues are in the public domain and are well documented.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Veterinary Council of Ireland Report: Discussion (24 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: Ms Muldoon can tell me if the council has sanctioned any individuals-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Veterinary Council of Ireland Report: Discussion (24 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: Is Mr. Ó Scanaill familiar with what I mentioned with regard to the Department and the TB eradication scheme?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Veterinary Council of Ireland Report: Discussion (24 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: To be the service provider-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Veterinary Council of Ireland Report: Discussion (24 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: So if someone was a non-registered veterinary officer but was the employer or owner of the practice, how would he or she get paid in those circumstances?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Veterinary Council of Ireland Report: Discussion (24 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: Does the council not have a role to play in regard to issues of the ownership of practices?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Veterinary Council of Ireland Report: Discussion (24 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: In layman's terms, if the council is to represent its people, it has to have an input into ownership because this means that non-veterinary-owned practices will not be doing TB testing. We all know where that will lead so the council must have a role in that regard.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Veterinary Council of Ireland Report: Discussion (24 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: That is a different ball game altogether. That is a very flippant answer.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Veterinary Council of Ireland Report: Discussion (24 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: We are all answerable to banks in different scenarios. We could all say that somebody else owns our car or our house. That is a very flippant answer to what was a very serious question. It is an unacceptable answer.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Veterinary Council of Ireland Report: Discussion (24 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: The bank was not doing Mr. Ó Scanaill's invoicing or his testing. It was not providing the service.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Veterinary Council of Ireland Report: Discussion (24 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: One would have to be the employer.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Veterinary Council of Ireland Report: Discussion (24 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: If one is employed by a corporate, one is not the employer so how does one get paid for doing TB testing?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Veterinary Council of Ireland Report: Discussion (24 Sep 2019)

Paul Daly: I rest my case. A corporate-owned practice cannot carry out TB testing so the large animal will be dropped. Such practices will not provide the service in an area because they cannot draw down wages for doing TB testing.

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