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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: Does Mr. McCarthy know he has that job?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: I commend the Department on this because there are many other examples of money going into the system. Mr. Burke has been open with us about the complex nature of it and Mr. Ó Foghlú has also been open with us about change. It is no harm that this would happen and it is good for it to happen by agreement. My last question is on residential institutions redress. The Department...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: Historically, the Department funded various service organisations. How did the organisations account for that funding? Did they have to submit accounts to the Department each year? Have they bought properties using that fund and, if so, who owns them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: Could Mr. Ó Foghlú give us a note on how much they received, the accountability process that was in place for each of them, whether they purchased properties and, if so, whether they are still in use and what will happen to them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: Will Mr. Ó Foghlú tell us about the other properties?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: Could the Department send us a note on that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: The work of both the commission on school accommodation and the inquiry into Kilkenny City Vocational School has been concluded. The overall cost of that is noted. Is it an ongoing cost regarding Kilkenny City Vocational School?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: What was the total cost of it on conclusion?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: The total cost of such expenditure on commissions and inquiries up to 2012 was €1.16 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: Thank you. That brings our meeting to a conclusion. Is it agreed to dispose of Vote 26 and Chapter 12 of the 2012 Annual Report and National Training Fund 2012? Agreed. Chapter 4 will be further examined until a later meeting. I thank the Secretary General and his officials for their attendance.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: That is why we will not get into it here.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: Is putting it out to tender an option?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: CIT would seem to have quite a number of members of its board who have served for a long time who are common to the VEC board. That should be examined in the context of their roles because there is a mention of the contract manager in terms of the work on PPPs. I am asking the Department to look at the board and its make up, but I also want to know who the contract manager is and what the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: What are the qualifications of the contract manager?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: What is the contract manager overseeing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: What is the value of the PPPs?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: It is a fairly onerous responsibility.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: From that point of view, I would like to know what qualifications the contract manager should have, and in this, case what qualifications the contract manager actually has. Mr. Ó Foghlú might let me know.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: Is it one salary? If the contract manager is employed elsewhere within the institute, is he being paid for being a contract manager also?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting
Chapter 12 - Contract Management in Education PPP Projects
Financial Accounts 2012
(15 May 2014)

John McGuinness: Is Mr. McCarthy saying there is not a robust system in place? Is the Department worried?

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